MAX Show Polizei Helmet

[pantera123]

Check ya later!!!

Charly, Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

[Schwerpunkt]

Hi Carlos ,

The helmet that we have been discussing here is original , so is the liner. If done well you cannot see that the liner has been changed , if there were no "before" pictures nobody would ever have know. So a certificate of originality is kind of useless for this situation.

Apart from that I'm not a fan of those certificates. Everyone can print a piece of paper (or copy) put a fancy name (well known collector) on it and sell it.
We have to be our own judges in the end and the forum is our instrument to ascertain originality.

O.K. so once again I bring up the idea of a group of learned and trusted collectors putting together a certification program that is independent of dealers. This is not new and is responsible for setting standards in the Japanese sword collecting world. Different papers are awarded for different grades/quality swords and fittings. Why couldn't this happen here? If I have a helmet I want to have authenticated (also read assigned a value) then I submit it for judging. This is really not all that new, we do it here all the time. Also at shows or some such, judging could take place and new collectors could join in and learn hands on what to look for. With the prices today it is just asking too much to trust any dealers COA. It helps everybody and the discouraged collectors like myself might take heart in this hobby again.

[Theodor]

Well, Ken was several times online during the two days since this thread started. His awareness about the thread is out of any doubt. No reply, explanation, clarification, no "wait a little, I'm trying to find out something...". Nothing!

So, the worst scenario about this "event" seems to be the truth itself. Far too bad!

[standfast]

I agreed with Deathshead....

[nopoop]

I've watched this thread for the last few days. In watching it I've found that above anything else it just makes me sad.

[amydron]

Yes, I also agree with Deathshead.
This Forum is more important, and stronger, than any individual.
Dealers and so called collectors who think that they can treat others with contempt have no place here.
In my opinion, switching the liner on a nice Field Police helmet or a run of the mill M42 and then passing it off as original, in the full knowledge that you are going to fool someone, is unforgivable.
Yes, we are paying more than we would like for these items, but when I enter into a deal with a member of this Forum I expect, and trust, that I am not going to be dicked with.
That is the point here - trust has been lost over this matter, and I for one have now removed Ken's site from my list of favourites.
If there were a conceivable excuse for this sorry matter, I would expect anyone with a semblance of honour or self-respect to have responded by now.
Need I say more?
I have collected Third Reich items, amongst other militaria, for 40 years, and have come across my fair share of dubious dealers in that time.
What I respect about this Forum is that I know 95% of members are honest and trustworthy, and a real pleasure to deal with.
I think we can do without the other 5%, don't you?
Regards,
RAY.

[Marc Shaffer]

As far as I can make out from this thread, the helmet was put together by the dealer in question from parts. It was advertised as something other than that with a made up story and sold under those conditions. Regardless of it being made up of original componets or not, it was sold under false pretenses, that is fraudulent, period. I don't believe you will hear from the dealer as there just is no excuse for this and he has no defense because the case against him is solid.

So now I come to the point. A person now takes an M42 or 40 no decal, adds an original SS decal.. what is it???

[panzerlord1]

return

I am starting to wonder if the collector i know will be refunded in full, if on inspection the helmet turns out bad. As i have said when it arrives them we will post pics they will be shown be panzerv.

as for the charly chaplin of the helmet world with 650 lids and refers to us as sheep

bog of you mupet!!!

Panzerlord

[amydron]

So now I come to the point. A person now takes an M42 or 40 no decal, adds an original SS decal.. what is it???[/QUOTE]

It is an M42 or M40 PURPORTING to be an original SS.
The application of an original SS decal would not make it an ORIGINAL SS helmet.
Regards,
RAY.

[boyouLaGleize.]

C'mmon Charly show us just one of yours 650 helmets.Just to see it.It's always interesting.

[PAB]

Auf Wiedersen Charly

[boyouLaGleize.]

Attention PAB,this kind of position is sometimes dangerous.It's like a mine.

[PAB]

Yes I think the bottom two pics sum up the before and after of someones reputation.Pete

[AZartman]

I'm catching up on this thread this morning, and I don't know what to make of this comment by Charley?

It seems the simple truth of this thread is one helmet was sold by a well respected dealer as untampered with, but it appears that it may not have been the case. If the buyer was paying a fair price for what he expected to be an untampered item, and it was in fact NOT, and it was NOT revealed as such then it is simply a case of willful non-disclosure and/or fraud.

I guess that is why I do not buy from dealers and I prefer to build my small time collection one piece at a time, on a shoestring budget from yard sales, antique auctions and small classified ads. I accept I may never own a killer camo or SS helmet, but at least I'm comfortable with what I own.

I think we must leave Kelly Hicks out of this for now he has not done anything
wrong!! You don't get it. Kelly wrote the bible on German helmets and you will pay anything for a helmet in his book There are many fake helmets in both books. Did you notice that Ken is in the credits in both books. What does this mean? kelly must not know who his friends are, or does'nt know anything. Maybe he know's nothing, some Just some jerk who made money off the no nothing new book smart collectors. Is Kelly next? go after him. He fakes helmets to.. Nobody know more than him. Ken and Kelly are out to screw you all. Just look how much you have to pay for a M42 single SS helmet now, $3.500.00 to $5,000.00 Just before his book came out you could fine a nice one for $1,800.00 Don't give any doubt. I know because I have been in this hobby longer that Kelly and I know him well and he learned form me. I will buy all your helmets with replaced liners because they are real. The liner in nothing. I have seen People pay big money for helmets without liners. Let's all overreact and hang everybody. He wrote a book and gave credit to a bunch of fakers. Boy you better ask for a refund. One by one you go down the list and find that everyone is a crook.. I just hope that your wives don't cheat on you because I am sure someone will bring it up on a public forum. Like I said before some should practice unexpressed thought. Sorry but I hate that this forum has become just a place to ruin Peoples reputation. Kick me off this forum if you want. I think all that responded in a negative way SUCK. Get out of this hobby! all of you and let us old time collectors have free run. Burn your bridges. Charly

PS. You don't need me and I don't need you. I am giving up on this bull **** forum witch is only out to ruin good People. I know way more than most of you or all of you and I was willing to share with you. I will keep all of my collection of over 650 helmets and most are in all the books you so boast over. Good buy little sheep.

[tgn]

Stupid questions - how do you know that the fist liner in the Police helmet was the original one to it? Who says that one wasn't changed sometime during or after the war? Heck, maybe Ken was just putting the orignal liner back in it after someone else changed it?

How does one determine what was the orignal liner to the helmet? Didn't the Germans change liners in their helmets, or was that verboten?

If you found a mint DD army helmet with dry rotted liner, wouldn't you try to find an equally mint duplicate liner to replace the rotten one?

What is a German helmet, anyways?

Like I stated, stupid questions...Tom