MAX Show Polizei Helmet

[PANZERPIONIERE]

It is all about money, too bad this hobby has come to this. No wonder so many new and old collectors quit after being ripped off or the prices. Like I say, do your homework. Getting busted in this hobby is not new. It is too bad they have to lie to get a sale.
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[Ich_Oder_Du]

The Max Show Polizei Helmet

Just who is "Perry Floyd"? A real "NOBODY", I guess. Gee, did I just detect a "PERSONAL ATTACK" from the so-called "moderater"? You certainly demonstrated your complete lack of "professionalism" as a MODERATOR with you recent comments. Oh well, I just consider the source - a "NEWBIE KNOW-NOTHING".

Ich Oder Du

[Karl S.]

I must agree with Ich Oder Du. About 35 years ago when I was a teen I took the liner out of a M42 combat police (which I was selling) and put it into M40 combat police which was missing it's liner. Now if I was to sell it I would disclose this fact..my 2cents worth

[MartyC]

dug

I guess museums should get rid of all those ground dug Egyptian items Geeez. The point is that the helmet was advertised as having been manufactured (liner and all) during the "1940" period. Please read his ad.

Marty

[prussian.guard]

Just who is "Perry Floyd"? A real "NOBODY", I guess. Gee, did I just detect a "PERSONAL ATTACK" from the so-called "moderater"? You certainly demonstrated your complete lack of "professionalism" as a MODERATOR with you recent comments. Oh well, I just consider the source - a "NEWBIE KNOW-NOTHING".

Ich Oder Du

COULD THIS BE KEN
ANOTHER NEW MEMBER GEE WERE GETTING A LOT OF NEW MEMBERS NOW THIS HAS COME UP. IF YOU ALL PAY YOUR SUBSCRIPTION YOU CAN ALL POST PICS OF YOUR 600+ HELMETS I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM,I HAVENT BEEN COLLECTING THAT LONG AND THIS FORUM INCLUDING PEOPLE LIKE PERRY HAVE HELPED ME ALOMG THE WAY SO DONT START ABUSING THE GOOD GUYS.
PERRY IF IT CAME TO A VOTE YOU WOULD GET MINE

[Perry Floyd]

Just who is "Perry Floyd"? A real "NOBODY", I guess. Gee, did I just detect a "PERSONAL ATTACK" from the so-called "moderater"? You certainly demonstrated your complete lack of "professionalism" as a MODERATOR with you recent comments. Oh well, I just consider the source - a "NEWBIE KNOW-NOTHING".

Ich Oder Du

Yes I'm just a nobody, as a matter of fact the only one that actually knows anything here is you.

Guys I think your going to now see a influx of newly registered users with a agenda to make this thread go away. To most I think its already obvious.

[Theodor]

Bla Bla bla BS bla bla BS WELCOME TO THE "WITCH HUNT"! GRAB A TORCH!! GET THE TAR AND FEATHERS!!! PICK UP THAT RAIL!!!! YOU'RE GONNA SEE "JUSTICE" DONE HERE AND NOW!!!!! BS BS BS BS BS BS BS BS

Never underestimate the STUPIDITY of uneducated "NEWBIE" German helmet collectors in LARGE groups! Do you people actually READ what you are WRITING?!! JEEZE!!!

BS BS BS BS

Hi mate, please, enlighten us, the STUPID newbies, what exactly is the "restoration" in taking apart an original helmet, how was it "restored" by taking out of it its original, very well preserved liner? And then letting it go with no mention for the "surgery"...

BTW, very nice approach, when having to spit, use a false name. Tomorrow again /with the real name/ will be talking friendly with the STUPID collectors. Why don't you say what you want, using your name? I hope the moderator team would enlighten us /throgh the IP or otherwise/ who was so kind and polite to all of us???

[prussian.guard]

DONT WORRY PERRY WHEN ALL THE NEW MEMBERS PAY THIER SUBSCRIPTION WHICH IM SURE THEY WILL NOT. THE WAF WILL BE VERY RICH AND WE COULD ALL GO ON HOLIDAY AND HAVE AN INTERNATIONAL HELMET FEAST
SERIOUSLY THOUGH THIS LINER SWAPPING AINT FUNNY.IF KEN HAD LISTED ON THE HELMET DESCRPTION THAT THE LINER HAD BEEN SWAPPED WE WOULDNT HAVE A 10,000 VIEW AND 100+POSTING THREAD.IS THIS A NEW RECORD AND DOES ERICH GET A BIG MEDAL AND A PLACE IN THE GUINESS BOOK OF RECORDS

[boyouLaGleize.]

I guess museums should get rid of all those ground dug Egyptian items Geeez. The point is that the helmet was advertised as having been manufactured (liner and all) during the "1940" period. Please read his ad.

Marty
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You're right Marty.
That's the start of this thread,a replaced liner with a non-conform description.

[Paolo]

WELCOME TO THE "WITCH HUNT"! GRAB A TORCH!! GET THE TAR AND FEATHERS!!! PICK UP THAT RAIL!!!! YOU'RE GONNA SEE "JUSTICE" DONE HERE AND NOW!!!!!

Never underestimate the STUPIDITY of uneducated "NEWBIE" German helmet collectors in LARGE groups! Do you people actually READ what you are WRITING?!! JEEZE!!!

What is the "CHARGE" made by the babbling "MOB"? A helmet liner was "SWAPPED". That's it. OH WOW! BIG DEAL!! "NEWBIES", settle down now and I'll give you a little history lesson here.

German helmet liners have been swapped by COLLECTORS and DEALERS for the past 60 YEARS! I've been in this hobby for almost 40 years and this has been an accepted FACT ever since I started collecting. PERIOD! Ever find a helmet in which some rat made a "dinner" out of the liner? How about one that "rotted" away in the damp basement? How about a helmet where the liner is just plain MISSING? If the shell is still a "keeper", then we "OLDIES" would go to a local gun show or flea market and buy some "biker" helmet, or foreign "reissued" helmet to obtain the NICE ORIGINAL German liner to replace the damaged or missing one. Just as long as the liner was in the appropriate condition, the right size and had the correct date on the band for the type of helmet it was going into, then there was NEVER a "PROBLEM" with doing this. EVERYONE DID IT, and STILL DOES!!

All COLLECTIBLES that are made from multiple parts (cars, trucks, radios, telephones, etc.) have broken and/or missing parts REPLACED ("SWAPPED") with other ORIGINAL parts to make the collectible COMPLETE once again! It doesn't ALTER anything, but rather RESTORES an item to the way it was intended to be.

This hobby has gotten so "WEIRD" that "collectors" (and I use the term loosely!) actually pay good MONEY for what is known to some as "GROUND DUG" German helmets!! We "oldies" look at that as one of the CRAZIEST concepts there is!! "NEWBIES", ground dug helmets are JUNK!!! TRASH!!! GARBAGE!!! They are not "collectibles" by any stretch of the imagination!!!

German helmets (and most other collectibles) are RESTORED by collectors and dealers (not to mention MUSEUMS!) to "bring back" something that "once was". The better the condition of a collectible usually increases it's VALUE. It is NOT an "ALTERATION", but a RESTORATION! And, RESTORATIONS have been an acceptable part of the collecting community since collecting began!

Ich Oder Du

There is some truth in what you say. As far "restoration" is disclosed there is nothing wrong. Up to the buyer to make his own decision.

Having said that why don't you cool down, I would expect a more relaxed approach from an oldie like you .

[blurred-edge]

M42 SS EF Helmet - B&S

Dear Collectors,

The buyer was informed that :

"I think the description does not say that the liner might have been replaced or remounted as the helmet looks cleaned from inside by the previous owner.The runes are of early style what for some not experienced collectors can be questionable but you also should not worry about it at all. If you have any questions now or later, please feel free to ask. The other M42 SS Helmet that we have for sale was never remounted and has 2nd style runes decal ( it is item #2484 ) . It was found by me and Blazej at a flee marked a few years ago."


This sale was committed and the above quoted e-mail was written before we acquired a copy of Mr. Hicks book and that is why the ET pattern runes is what we commonly called 2nd pattern and the EF runes is what we called early pattern.


Me and Blazej keep all e-mail exchange with customers and I am ready to provide any details on request to anyone who may accuse us of dishonesty .


Best regards ,
Szymon , B&S Militaria.

[Mike Davis]

German helmet liners have been swapped by COLLECTORS and DEALERS for the past 60 YEARS! I've been in this hobby for almost 40 years and this has been an accepted FACT ever since I started collecting. PERIOD! ....EVERYONE DID IT, and STILL DOES!!

I disagree.

No doubt there are plenty of collectors and dealers that do routinely alter original items - for different reasons. And despite your experience, I can assure you that there are many old line collectors that would not think of changing a liner on a helmet for cosmetic or other reasons.

The liner exchange outlined in this case would seem to have been done for a purpose other than that of 'restoration'. I, for one, would not just accept that this is OK because someone maintains that 'everyone does it'.

[peacenotwar]

World is little.
Collector's world is again more little.
Militaria collector's world is again,again more little.
German militaria collector's world is three time again more little.
German helmet collector's world is four time again more little.
With new technologies,PC,camera,the web,I don't understand why some people try again this kind of thing.

For a simple reason I think: because there isn't the "saint" dealer and they are perfectly aware of that.
Mixing original (in major numbers) helmets with (sometimes) bad helmets give them the guarantee to carry on in their business: expert collectors will try to avoid the latter while less experienced collectors will fall into the trap.
In conclusion, they do know perfectly that they are the most important source, anyway, for collectors.
We hate them now but probably we will buy from them in the future.
This is my opinion guys.
Mauro
Ciao Sardegna!

[Ich_Oder_Du]

The Max Show Polizei Helmet

What's the matter Floyd? I just imparted information that has been known by experienced collectors the world over for six decades and you feel the need to have a "HISSY-FIT" for reasons unknown? How very "mature" of you. This is the main reason that I had, until now, never bothered to participate in these forums. Too much of this CHILDISH back-biting from the self-appointed "Forum Fuhrers"! Too many preconceived ideas and notions for any "LEARNING" to take place.

Be that as it may, what I wrote was the TRUTH and STILL IS the TRUTH. So, Floyd, you did get that part right. Therefore, whatever kind of IMAGINARY "spin" you want to try to put on my writings (and any others that you don't agree with!), go ahead! Intelligent collectors will most certainly see you for what you actually are. As to what I think of you, NOT MUCH. You are just a shallow little "peep' in the wind.

As for the question if I am "Cherlie" (I believe you meant "CHARLIE"), no, I am not. But I can certainly feel his frustration, based on what he wrote in just this thread.

As for the liner swap in question, like I said, BIG DEAL. The helmet was shown for what it CURRENTLY IS. To me, if someone did in fact swap the liner, that person made the WRONG CHOICE of the style and date. But "NEWBIES", this is where EXPERIENCE comes in!! I knew the liner was WRONG for the helmet, so I didn't need to post it on this "LESS THAN IMPARTIAL" site. My information was given and you are free to learn from it or not. The choice is yours, and YOURS ALONE.

Should the seller have listed this helmet as having a liner swap? Yes, most likely he should have. But for "THE MOB" to form and get so carried away by this simple little thing, is, well, I guess it is simply the "MOB MENTALITY". Remember people, there were calls to "lynch" Kelly Hicks too! Just because Ken and Kelly were reported as being "business partners"! Sounds like "Mindless McCarthyism" to ME!!

Ich Oder Du

[boyouLaGleize.]

What's "newbies" in french.Is it positive or negative.