A couple of Cultural items

[Steve T]

Thank you for sharing - that´s obviously from the first Architecture- and Arts and Crafts-exhibition.

Three full-size tapestries "melted" as a Tryptichon - fine concept!

Either a unique piece ordered for a specific official or private representative room/hall or manufactured in pretty low numbers - if I remember correctly you mentioned first that HL was responsible for the design of the DHW tapestries and I thought the same way, by looking at this example of her own style one has to wonder if that statement needs to be revised.

I'm not exactly sure what you are saying about a statement needing revision. Lindemann no doubt did one offs, with people such as Mahlu and Hablik, producing such works as Wikingboote, but these were not the biederwand type weaving from punched cards like you just showed above.

I don't believe I've said HL was responsible for the design of the DHW tapestries, I suspect the firm was one of many textile suppliers that DHW bought from and therefore likely responsible for the design of some of the tapestry that DHW sold, but not necessarily designed for DHW. I'm not aware of any documentation to suggest anything specific in the form of tapestry was designed for DHW.

[Thorsten B.]

I'm not aware of any documentation to suggest anything specific in the form of tapestry was designed for DHW.

And I´m not aware of any documentation to suggest anything specific in the form of tapestry was NOT designed for DHW.

It was definitely you bringing up the name Hablik-Lindemann in connection to TR and SS cultural items such as tapestries - furthermore if we would continue your argumentation in regards to the lack of documentation should we brush the whole production range of cultural furniture sold by DHW the same way?

How is that supposed to work?

[Capt. R]

Thorsten, unfortunately we cannot say that since it is impossible to prove negative statements. Best we can say is nothing has surfaced to-date.

[Thorsten B.]

Korrekt!

And if we would already know the answers to everything we are discussing here the whole thing wouldn´t be half as tempting as it is.

At least in regards to the offered furniture there is documentation stating that Konrad Hahm as a specialist for folklore and profound knowledge in the whole area of traditional german interieur design and household items (mainly of peasants throughout centuries) with access to other experts and museum collections was responsible for the design of the DHW furniture by re-awaking, thereby preserving and modernizing traditional german handcraft and old concepts of design and classical decoration on a very high level - to get finally rid of the cheaply constructed and produced mass production pieces judged as being degenerated rubbish and being a concept of fooling and rip off the buyer and consumer.

[Steve T]

And I´m not aware of any documentation to suggest anything specific in the form of tapestry was NOT designed for DHW.

It was definitely you bringing up the name Hablik-Lindemann in connection to TR and SS cultural items such as tapestries - furthermore if we would continue your argumentation in regards to the lack of documentation should we brush the whole production range of cultural furniture sold by DHW the same way?

How is that supposed to work?

Hablik-Lindemann are mentioned the DHW book by Standecke as are many others who could have supplied DHW with tapestry and I as I said I'm not aware of Hablik-Lindemann designed anything specifically for DHW but they made the type of product the DHW needed judging from what's in the DHW catalogue.

Saying you don't have a document to say they didn't make anything specific for the DHW is nuts.

You say, "SS cultural items such as tapestries" so you think these tapestries like Lebensbaum, Weltkreis and such like are SS items?

Maybe this association with DHW in respect of tapestry does need revision. Seeing these tapestry as a DHW product is one way to look at it, but there's another too. The textile companies existed before the DHW, they were making these type of tapestry, exhibiting and selling them before the DHW was founded, Ms Lindemann was learning the craft in Sweden before DHW was imagined. Looking at it this other way in respect of the tapestry, the DHW was simply another outlet for sales. That the tapestries fitted the culture of the TR and of the SS was just a bonus for the suppliers, they were making such product anyway. Yes it developed as time went on and some designs were influenced by the fashion of the time and naturally a few appeared with NS symbolism, runes, swastika and so forth.

DHW was a shop that sold these tapestry, they didn't invent them. DHW clearly liked them and bought into them, they fitted the culture of the time and the textile companies no doubt were happy with the re-awakening of old craft and culture. They didn't turn into an SS item, they existed before the SS and it seems Onkel Weitzel of the SS and the DHW liked them.

[Steve T]

Here's a real SS cultural item, an SS Julleuchter in miniature, period image.

Long candle too, longer than the awarded SS Jul-Kerze. (it's just a big vase)

[Thorsten B.]

Here's a real SS cultural item...

And here´s another one.

[Steve T]

Here's the tapestry pattern that is shown in SS-Onkel Weitzel's book, obviously this one was made for Herr Weitzels lady friend.

[Steve T]

And here´s another one.

That fruit loving pig is a fake.

[Thorsten B.]

Hey, don´t insult Piglet.

He is real but unfortunately he is not pictured in the Weitzel book.

[Steve T]

Hey, don´t insult Piglet.

He is real but unfortunately he is not pictured in the Weitzel book.

He's real? OK, apologies to the pig but I saw that he ate some of the fruit on your chest, so he ought to be bacon for that.

[Thorsten B.]

He's real? OK, apologies to the pig but I saw that he ate some of the fruit on your chest, so he ought to be bacon for that.

That is the keyhole.

[Steve T]

That is the keyhole.

That is what the pig told you, he no doubt cleverly disguised his greedy act.

[Thälmannpionier]

Maybe this association with DHW in respect of tapestry does need revision. Seeing these tapestry as a DHW product is one way to look at it, but there's another too. The textile companies existed before the DHW, they were making these type of tapestry, exhibiting and selling them before the DHW was founded, Ms Lindemann was learning the craft in Sweden before DHW was imagined. Looking at it this other way in respect of the tapestry, the DHW was simply another outlet for sales. That the tapestries fitted the culture of the TR and of the SS was just a bonus for the suppliers, they were making such product anyway. Yes it developed as time went on and some designs were influenced by the fashion of the time and naturally a few appeared with NS symbolism, runes, swastika and so forth.

DHW was a shop that sold these tapestry, they didn't invent them. DHW clearly liked them and bought into them, they fitted the culture of the time and the textile companies no doubt were happy with the re-awakening of old craft and culture. They didn't turn into an SS item, they existed before the SS and it seems Onkel Weitzel of the SS and the DHW liked them.

couldnt agree more

[Thorsten B.]

Hablik-Lindemann are mentioned the DHW book by Standecke as are many others who could have supplied DHW with tapestry and I as I said I'm not aware of Hablik-Lindemann designed anything specifically for DHW but they made the type of product the DHW needed judging from what's in the DHW catalogue.

Saying you don't have a document to say they didn't make anything specific for the DHW is nuts.

You say, "SS cultural items such as tapestries" so you think these tapestries like Lebensbaum, Weltkreis and such like are SS items?

Maybe this association with DHW in respect of tapestry does need revision. Seeing these tapestry as a DHW product is one way to look at it, but there's another too. The textile companies existed before the DHW, they were making these type of tapestry, exhibiting and selling them before the DHW was founded, Ms Lindemann was learning the craft in Sweden before DHW was imagined. Looking at it this other way in respect of the tapestry, the DHW was simply another outlet for sales. That the tapestries fitted the culture of the TR and of the SS was just a bonus for the suppliers, they were making such product anyway. Yes it developed as time went on and some designs were influenced by the fashion of the time and naturally a few appeared with NS symbolism, runes, swastika and so forth.

DHW was a shop that sold these tapestry, they didn't invent them. DHW clearly liked them and bought into them, they fitted the culture of the time and the textile companies no doubt were happy with the re-awakening of old craft and culture. They didn't turn into an SS item, they existed before the SS and it seems Onkel Weitzel of the SS and the DHW liked them.

What a wild statement - it is even self-contradictory.

Following this "applied logic" we would have to come to the conclusion that Allach would also have been just a shop that sold porcelain and ceramics.

How ridiculous would all that be?

So if - just to take one example of the DHW production range - the tapestries were not invented by DHW why do you search for them via your website?

And present them in a section defined by yourself as "NS and SS cultural items"?