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    I am very happy to see Andrew and Michael here. Thank you for joining us, I appreciate it!

    Of course Bill won't allow me to post here without showing one , so here's one...

    <img src="http://www.history.jp/images/TigerII-1.jpg">

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      And "Ursula".

      <img src="http://www.history.jp/images/Ursula.jpg">

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        And one quiz for you... Among the photos Bill has posted, one photo was NOT actually taken by a GI... It is from a series of photographs from 3.Panzer-Division (so some GI got it from a PoW, I think). Which one?

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          Originally posted by Akira Takiguchi
          And one quiz for you... Among the photos Bill has posted, one photo was NOT actually taken by a GI... It is from a series of photographs from 3.Panzer-Division (so some GI got it from a PoW, I think). Which one?
          Hello Akira
          I think photo 65 of the destroyed Panzer IV is from the series of the 3rd Panzer Div.
          I also want to thank Mr.Petz for posting some great photos.
          I believe the pics of the 54cm Karl Gerat is vehicle number V named Loki.
          according to the Encyclopedia of German Tanks of World War II 1978 addition "U.S. forces captured vehicle II with 60cm barrel (possible Eve) and vehicle V with 54cm barrel"
          Since you two pics show U.S. soldiers with a 54cm barrel this may be Loki.
          I know that alot of information in the book is outdated but maybe this will help

          Photo 95 Panzer IV you can see the other side of this vehicle in the background on page 57 bottom of Tom Jentz's book Tiger Kampf and Tatics.

          I believe Panther photo 1 and 6 are the same tank.
          Hope this helps
          Best regards
          Allen Dail

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            Dear Allen,

            Originally posted by Allen Dail
            I think photo 65 of the destroyed Panzer IV is from the series of the 3rd Panzer Div.
            Exactly! The Pz IV Ausf. A was tken in Polskie Lakie, Poland in 1939.

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              I apologize Gents!! #65 came with a grouping of US photos and therefore I thought it was one of the knocked out Panzers in the grouping. That just shows you how great this forum is....not much gets by old (Desert) Foxes like Akira, Allen, Andrew and Mike!!

              Akira, Thanks for posting the pic of "Ursula" I knew someone would eventually post one but didn't expect it to be the one that andrew described...and the resultant horrific death of one of three dead crewmen. I also llove that Tiger II pic that you posted. Thanks for joining in and making it "Official"

              Andrew, Thanks for joinging in as well and providing a very detailed description with background information. Your contribution is very much appreciated and please do post pics when you can.

              Allen the same goes for you and thank you for your kind comment and for joining in on this thread!!!

              I have some more pics that Mike sent to me so I believe it's time I should post them and keep this thread going. Here is a Tiger II on a lowboy
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                Panther in France Aug 44 with gun jammed in full recoil
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                  knocked out Panzer IV
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                    Nebelwuerfer and Kuebelwagon in the Bulge!!
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                      15cm sFH 18 in the Bulge
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                        Last one (hopefully not on the thread!!!) sent to me by Mike is an awesome Pak88 (my handle) in the Bulge
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                          Bill,

                          Really fantastic photos, thanks for sharing! Do you have any info on when/where the photo of the Tiger II on the lowboy was taken (#126)?

                          @Akira - do you know when where your photo #121 was taken, or the unit this tank was in?

                          Regards,
                          Greg
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                            Thanks for the welcome Akira, I'm glad I dropped by. As well as all Messrs.Petzs and Pruetts fantastic photos, it has provided an answer to a previously mysterious Panther namely the vehicle with the unusual spare wheel mount I described above. I've now had this confirmed that this is the same vehicle Michael Pruett was on about in Coopers Death Traps e.g Pz.Lehrs 'Elna'. Probably old news to some but not to others!

                            Nice to bump into Allen here too, not seen you around for a while

                            Akira, I'd be interested in more info on your Tiger II shot as well please. At first glance I thought the TII on the low loader might Shrivehams but I don't think it is on reviewing other shots of this vehicle. Commonwealth troops though??


                            Andrew

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                              The Picture #110 It's Cassino!!!

                              ..I have a similar picture of thread #110, with one stug near Hotel Continental in Cassino, April 1944, give to me from an ex german paratrooper in 1994..

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                                Originally posted by Andrew Hall
                                Thanks for the welcome Akira, I'm glad I dropped by. As well as all Messrs.Petzs and Pruetts fantastic photos, it has provided an answer to a previously mysterious Panther namely the vehicle with the unusual spare wheel mount I described above. I've now had this confirmed that this is the same vehicle Michael Pruett was on about in Coopers Death Traps e.g Pz.Lehrs 'Elna'. Probably old news to some but not to others!

                                Nice to bump into Allen here too, not seen you around for a while

                                Akira, I'd be interested in more info on your Tiger II shot as well please. At first glance I thought the TII on the low loader might Shrivehams but I don't think it is on reviewing other shots of this vehicle. Commonwealth troops though??


                                Andrew

                                Hello Andrew
                                Nice too bump into you here also.
                                Great spotting on Ursula here is a link to Barry Crook's excellant old post on Missing linksJuly 8,2002 PzLehr Panther "Ursula" walk around (warning grim images yet again)WarningGraphic Images

                                http://www.network54.com/Forum/threa...eid=1057674939


                                photo 46 shows A Panzer IV front angle and a Tiger rear view possibly in Rome.
                                A photo of the Tiger with G.I.'s running by is in the book WWII Day by Day a dorling Kindersley book page 521

                                I first thought that the Tiger Akira posted was one of the last picked up by 3/511 in the Kassel area.
                                Specificly I thought it was the Ocotopus camo Tiger but it is a different vehicle.

                                Hope it helps
                                Best Regards
                                Allen Dail

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