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    #166
    Italian made Eagle on cap.

    greg koepp
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      #167
      Originally posted by Gregory Koepp View Post
      Well I have a few items I can throw in, here's my poster.

      greg koepp
      Greg , Is the poster original can't tell from the photo, but the good one are usually on thin stock.

      Do you think the hat is Org. Todt.

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        #168
        A very nice group of items Dennis.

        Greg I believe your poster is a reproduction.

        Compare it to this photo below.

        I'm no expert on the Italian language but I believe there are these problems with the poster.

        1. The soldier is in black and white when he should be in color.

        2. The soldier is cropped at the waist cuttiing of some of the drawing.

        3. The letter "O" in the word "ARRUOLARSI" has been changed to a "D"

        4. It has no accent on the "A" in "FEDELTÀ".

        I had to do this analysis with a member on another forum for the same poster.

        The Italian members here can correct me if I got any of the language stuff wrong.

        Last edited by TonyS; 05-14-2008, 11:51 PM.

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          #169
          Originally posted by TonyS View Post
          A very nice group of items Dennis.

          Greg I believe your poster is a reproduction.

          Compare it to this photo below.

          I'm no expert on the Italian language but I believe there are these problems with it.

          1. The soldier is in black and white when he should be in color.

          2. The soldier is cropped at the waist cuttiing of some of the drawing.

          3. The letter "O" in the word "ARRUOLARSI" has been changed to a "D"

          4. It has no accent on the "A" in "FEDELTÀ".



          I had to do this analysis with a member on another forum for the same poster.

          The Italian members here can correct me if I got any of the language stuff wrong.

          Good eye Tony.

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            #170
            Originally posted by Gregory Koepp View Post
            Italian made Eagle on cap.

            greg koepp
            Nice cap. It looks Italian in style BUT it is an "SA Wehrmann-mutze"!
            Here's another one:
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              #171
              tag

              inside tag. (Its for sale in Germany)
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                #172
                well I know the poster I showed is good, it came out of a old collection and the collector knows his stuff. I must say the one that your showing looks like it's fake.? Also I have read some where that these posters were remade for distribution, I sure can't remember where I read it, but when I was collecting Posters I seen many and really researched the more rarer ones. Also the Unforms are differnt if you look at the details, like buttons and many other items, the one I posted has real looking ones than the left one. I feel if someone was going to make a reproduction of the poster on the left he wouldn't re-due the complete poster as they are, also the makers in the left corners are different too, so they are not meant to be remakes with accidental mistakes, otherwise they would have kept both the same. Interesting... so now when I get time I'm going to have to research more.

                Here's a shot of the front of the cap I showed, I would think the German or Italian who wore this had the Eagle made to add on. I have a few more Italian made Eagles I'll show too. But I think I shouldn't go off another direction as this posting is on 29th Div??

                greg
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                  #173
                  Originally posted by Gregory Koepp View Post
                  I have a few more Italian made Eagles I'll show too. But I think I shouldn't go off another direction as this posting is on 29th Div??

                  greg

                  yes please, open an other thread in the Heer Forum: it seems to be an interesting subject.

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                    #174
                    Originally posted by Gregory Koepp View Post
                    well I know the poster I showed is good, it came out of a old collection and the collector knows his stuff. I must say the one that your showing looks like it's fake.? Also I have read some where that these posters were remade for distribution, I sure can't remember where I read it, but when I was collecting Posters I seen many and really researched the more rarer ones. Also the Unforms are differnt if you look at the details, like buttons and many other items, the one I posted has real looking ones than the left one. I feel if someone was going to make a reproduction of the poster on the left he wouldn't re-due the complete poster as they are, also the makers in the left corners are different too, so they are not meant to be remakes with accidental mistakes, otherwise they would have kept both the same. Interesting... so now when I get time I'm going to have to research more.
                    greg
                    Hopefully an Italian member will comment on this poster. Especially on the the strange spelling discrepancies between the two.

                    ETA - here is an original version from Raffaello Carola<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_2227592", true); </SCRIPT> the moderator in the Italian and Axis forum.

                    From this thread:

                    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...italian+poster



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                    Last edited by TonyS; 05-15-2008, 01:51 PM.

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                      #175
                      This poster is one of the rarest of the RSI and I'm afraid Tonys is right.
                      Among other differences the signature of Gino Boccasile the prolific genius who made this and many other posters depicting the most beautiful and dramatic WW2 artwork. is completely missing. Besides that no italian printer would have misspelled "Arruolarsi" (enlist) or "Fedeltà" (Loyalty)...
                      Here is a picture of the artist and some of his works for the italian SS.
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                      Last edited by Krieg777; 05-15-2008, 03:14 PM.

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                        #176
                        another RSI/Italian SS poster
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                          #177
                          Originally posted by TonyS View Post

                          Greg I believe your poster is a reproduction.

                          Compare it to this photo below.

                          I'm no expert on the Italian language but I believe there are these problems with the poster.

                          1. The soldier is in black and white when he should be in color.

                          2. The soldier is cropped at the waist cuttiing of some of the drawing.

                          3. The letter "O" in the word "ARRUOLARSI" has been changed to a "D"

                          4. It has no accent on the "A" in "FEDELTÀ".

                          I had to do this analysis with a member on another forum for the same poster.

                          The Italian members here can correct me if I got any of the language stuff wrong.

                          Hello,

                          agree with Tony no accent on the "A" in FEDELTÀ is an real great
                          grammatical error for an italian , the color of orginal wartime poster
                          are different, the words style not is correct.
                          cheers, Raffaello
                          "six italians, dressed in rather unusual diving suits and equipped with materials of laughably little cost have swung the military balance of power in the Mediterranean in favour of the Axis".

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                            #178
                            another
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                              #179
                              Hello,
                              an good thread about the propaganda war artist Boccasile poster
                              cheers, Raffaello
                              http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ight=Boccasile
                              "six italians, dressed in rather unusual diving suits and equipped with materials of laughably little cost have swung the military balance of power in the Mediterranean in favour of the Axis".

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                                #180
                                Thanks for your input guys.

                                I'm sorry for Greg though - it sucks to find out this information.

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