Rare SS Pack Prototype Dagger

[Frogprince]

This thread reminds me about the Hühnlein daggers.


You have the internet "truth" and the real life truth.

Points noted I think that your thoughts have some merit. Substantially on another forum with a lot of spillover on this one, an “interesting” series of discussions originated to the south of me from a dealer near the border. Hühnlein being one of them, there were others that ranged from the sword category, other kinds of daggers, other different items etc. And while they did not all happen at the same time, the ‘internet storm’ flared up so every so often and could cool off as rapidly - as well defined images were presented to prove one point or another. The “real life truth” being the photos - the good, the bad, and the ugly. For some of the other posters: “Turkey” is sometimes used as slang in America with different meanings depending on the context. FP

[Frogprince]

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Its more telling of it being original as a faker would have made a better one or used a period one off say a stick pin which are readily and cheaply available

I’m reasonably certain that now an enterprising faker will either make a better grip eagle, or look harder for something to adapt. I can’t speak to what is available in the UK, but the U.S. is large and spread out and in some areas they are still virtual deserts for collectors depending on what it is you are looking for. A perhaps comparable example in the UK that I know of from past associations with UK collectors - are some items that U.S veterans brought back that were never seen in the UK. The reason being that the UK forces fought in areas where they were not used by the Germans locally, versus where U.S. forces fought. The situation not quite the same now because of the many militaria/collectible buyers that visited the U.S. to make purchases, and of course online purchasing something else that changed the availability. FP

[nickn]

This is daft better eagles for fakers have been available since day one
You won’t answer this but here goes
When do you think this “fake” was made?
I am sure you have an opinion

[tanker]

duplicate

[Frogprince]

This is daft better eagles for fakers have been available since day one
You won’t answer this but here goes
When do you think this “fake” was made?
I am sure you have an opinion

IMO it’s more of a where and when type question. But as to the when part for the dagger in question, I think it really has to be looked at in the interior to see what has been disturbed (or not) that looks like it has genuine age on it. Some representations that were made to me looked like something else in the photos. Not in hand you have to take their word. In person I’ve been known to challenge dealers/others from time to time and not been the one looking like he did not know what he was talking about. But via the Internet all you can do is ask for different/better pictures that may or may not provide an adequate answer. FP

[nickn]

Nothing
Collectors who have handled this dagger are happy it’s period
Frog prince who hasn’t doesn’t
Another member says he has documented proof and has seen other fake Christmas daggers but will not share the information or provide photos or links
If the internal photos were posted this saga would end I am sure

[Frogprince]

After 53 pages, what more can be gained?

Without a look at the internal parts of the dagger maybe not much. But if somehow they see fit to post some really good images there could be a lot to learn. FP

[tanker]

Sounds good. Thanks

[tk99]

Without a look at the internal parts of the dagger maybe not much. But if somehow they see fit to post some really good images there could be a lot to learn. FP

I am going to be fair and post a similar question to you. What do you hope to see internally on these daggers? Do you know what characteristics to look for?

If you do, then you should know that on the exterior, this dagger stands a chance and should be evaluated on its own merits.

If you dont, then your request to post "some really good images" will do nothing as you wont be able to tell the difference.

[nickn]

That’s been the point since the beginning with Fred’s opinions
Fred doesn’t collect political daggers

[Frogprince]

That’s been the point since the beginning with Fred’s opinions
Fred doesn’t collect political daggers

I'm not a specialist (if that matters) but I’m am a collector. The one here is my first or third(?) SA example that I used for a photo shoot on the types of woods that the Germans used. The one thing that I could not figure out how to do was to attach it to the end of the carbine? FP

[Frogprince]

I am going to be fair and post a similar question to you. What do you hope to see internally on these daggers? Do you know what characteristics to look for?

If you do, then you should know that on the exterior, this dagger stands a chance and should be evaluated on its own merits.

If you dont, then your request to post "some really good images" will do nothing as you wont be able to tell the difference.

I'm not the one to evaluate the Brass Bird - it was den70 that I recommended. FP

[nickn]

I'm not a specialist (if that matters) but I’m am a collector. The one here is my first or third(?) SA example that I used for a photo shoot on the types of woods that the Germans used. The one thing that I could not figure out how to do was to attach it to the end of the carbine? FP

Another pointless post!
And yes it does matter that you don’t collect ss daggers
I don’t collect lots of things on this forum so I don’t comment on them
Vietnam shirts not a clue
57 awards ditto

[Frogprince]

Another pointless post!
And yes it does matter that you don’t collect ss daggers
I don’t collect lots of things on this forum so I don’t comment on them
Vietnam shirts not a clue
57 awards ditto

Again not a specialist, I used my own M1936 in the first ever thread (GDC Forum) that I wrote for the nasal septum type daggers (but not as the topic centerpiece). A later contributor to topic I started, Vic Diehl's nasal septum dagger made it into TW's SS book - but for another reason. FP

[nickn]

I'm not a specialist (if that matters) but I’m am a collector. The one here is my first or third(?) SA example that I used for a photo shoot on the types of woods that the Germans used. The one thing that I could not figure out how to do was to attach it to the end of the carbine? FP

Another pointless post!
And yes it does matter that you don’t collect ss daggers
I don’t collect lots of things on this forum so I don’t comment on them
Vietnam shirts not a clue
57 awards ditto