The Floch interview regarding the Pink/Birch smocks

[Robert H]

learn study talk to the right people then you might get the answer and history of those smocks. They are produced after the war.

4 wheel drive and AC tires don´t stuck in the mud

[kammo man]

Let's recall some of the fakes which were released in great numbers during the 80s and 90s, and which are pretty darn close, but not exact, to originals. And thought to come from several nations in Central Europe.

I'll start:

- Luft long tropical trousers (the ones with mildew stains and markings in the wrong location)
- Kreta cuff titles
- M43 caps of every type
- FJ helmets
- Luft tropical tunics
- Luft tropical shirts

These are just the ones which come to mind, and in my collecting interests. All are very close to originals, but not exact. So, why on earth can we not accept the thought that SS pink smocks could have been made which are very close to originals?

And Pink.

[Bob Chatt]

I understand of course non-believers would like any opposing opinion shut down, that's human nature. If you can't prevail in a discussion, end it.

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It has been said on every thread that has been started on these to talk to the people involved during the time.

It has also been stated every time the subject was brought up, to talk to George Petersen. He was bringing items out of Eastern Europe during this time, and whenever you ask him about these smocks, he just laughs and states they are fakes. You say you have never spoken to George or that you do not know him. He is very easy to contact and has no problem saying what is on his mind.

Instead everyone goes to a well known faker who can't keep his story straight when he responds. Sounds like a perfect response. Answer the questions slightly different to each person that asks, that way it still throws doubt but gives those that believe a straw to grasp on to.

[nutmeg]

It has been said on every thread that has been started on these to talk to the people involved during the time.

It has also been stated every time the subject was brought up, to talk to George Petersen. He was bringing items out of Eastern Europe during this time, and whenever you ask him about these smocks, he just laughs and states they are fakes. You say you have never spoken to George or that you do not know him. He is very easy to contact and has no problem saying what is on his mind.

Instead everyone goes to a well known faker who can't keep his story straight when he responds. Sounds like a perfect response. Answer the questions slightly different to each person that asks, that way it still throws doubt but gives those that believe a straw to grasp on to.

Nobody stopping Mr. Peterson from coming here to add his input . If he's easy to contact why don't you invite him?

Floch's answers were pretty much the same , although he gave more detail to Dennis who apparently engaged him in conversation longer. He's an old guy discussing a business deal that happened nearly 35 years ago. I sure don't recall the exact details every deal I did even 20 years ago or less.

[spectre]

Has anyone seen what looks like these smocks in 40’s-60’s vintage Polish or Russian movies?

Do I have one – yes. Got it from John Angolia in ’86 and I still have it.
I was the one at the SOS in the black 82nd jacket with a couple of LW cases walking around. Mine is in mint condition, no damage or stamps, only missing the drawstring.

Even skeptics at the show liked the eyelets and hbt pocket construction. The double seam stitching is in line with originals. Just because the pattern and colors didn’t get out from behind the curtain until the 80’s doesn’t mean they can’t exist.
If they can be proven in any old movies then it would seem there is no question that they were made pre 45. Who would have gone to this level of detail in the immediate post-war period? They probably had for more important things to worry about then future collector arguments.

And a footnote about old uniforms coming out of storage in mint condition. After Grenada (that I was part of) and the heat casualties caused by the heavy BDU’s that were just coming out (not part of, thanks to ERDL’s I wore). They brought in trucks full of un-issued Vietnam vintage OG-107 jungle fatigues, 1969 dated and sold them thru clothing sales until they could make new tropical weight BDU’s. This was early 1984, I got 3 sets, should have gotten more.
Granted '80s America and post-war Poland are a world apart but it does happen.
Alan

[Bob Chatt]

Nobody stopping Mr. Peterson from coming here to add his input . If he's easy to contact why don't you invite him?
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No one is stopping George from responding here, but you are the one that is looking for the truth and spending money by contacting Russian costume houses and having them do research. Instead of spending your hard earned money why not contact someone here in the US that was around when these "appeared" in the Eastern bloc countries, and probably knows the whole story.

With a simple Google search you can find George's contact info, but if that is too hard don't worry I did it for you. http://www.nchsinc.com/ Here is a direct link to his website and his contact info.

[nutmeg]

No one is stopping George from responding here, but you are the one that is looking for the truth and spending money by contacting Russian costume houses and having them do research. Instead of spending your hard earned money why not contact someone here in the US that was around when these "appeared" in the Eastern bloc countries, and probably knows the whole story.

With a simple Google search you can find George's contact info, but if that is too hard don't worry I did it for you. http://www.nchsinc.com/ Here is a direct link to his website and his contact info.

If he wants to comment let him come and make his comments for ALL to see. Some reason you can't invite him yourself? You're a friend of his (I assume) . If you think he will support your opinion it's up to you to bring him here. BTW I was around and collecting when these appeared.

[Bob Chatt]

[QUOTE=nutmeg;8099506]If he wants to comment let him come and make his comments for ALL to see. Some reason you can't invite him yourself? You're a friend of his (I assume) . If you think he will support your opinion it's up to you to bring him here. BTW I was around and collecting when these appeared.[/QUO

No one said you weren't around when these appeared, but were you traveling in Eastern Europe and buying militaria there during this time? George was.

It seems you just want to contact people who might tell you the items might be real, but don't want to contact those who have said they are fakes.

I don't need to invite him here, as myself and a few others have posted numerous times what his comments are on these smocks. I don't see anyone telling Floch he should come here and make his comments. Instead he is just asked questions about his find of these. If his word is good for you guys, why isn't Petersen's?

[nutmeg]

[QUOTE=Bob Chatt;8099570]

If he wants to comment let him come and make his comments for ALL to see. Some reason you can't invite him yourself? You're a friend of his (I assume) . If you think he will support your opinion it's up to you to bring him here. BTW I was around and collecting when these appeared.[/QUO

No one said you weren't around when these appeared, but were you traveling in Eastern Europe and buying militaria there during this time? George was.

It seems you just want to contact people who might tell you the items might be real, but don't want to contact those who have said they are fakes.

I don't need to invite him here, as myself and a few others have posted numerous times what his comments are on these smocks. I don't see anyone telling Floch he should come here and make his comments. Instead he is just asked questions about his find of these. If his word is good for you guys, why isn't Petersen's?

This is getting awfully silly , if you have already posted what he said . Reminds me of my younger days , I had a friend who always wanted to date various girls but was afraid to ask them himself. He would say "ask her if she'll go out with me". I'll tell you what I told him , "ask her yourself" . ( He never did BTW).

BTW I'm told Floch doesn't have email . If I ever run into Floch someday I'll tell him he should come here! But maybe you should do it , it might be important for you to contact those who think they are real as well !

[Bob Chatt]

[QUOTE=nutmeg;8099594]

This is getting awfully silly , if you have already posted what he said . Reminds me of my younger days , I had a friend who always wanted to date various girls but was afraid to ask them himself. He would say "ask her if she'll go out with me". I'll tell you what I told him , "ask her yourself" . ( He never did BTW).

BTW I'm told Floch doesn't have email . If I ever run into Floch someday I'll tell him he should come here! But maybe you should do it , it might be important for you to contact those who think they are real as well ! I hope that concludes this nonsense.

Again, there is George's contact info, easy peasy, you should ask him his thoughts. But you wont, as you only want to hear from those that think these might be real. I mean why go to someone who was there when they came out and every time he is asked about them he says they are fake? On, I know why, because it doesn't fit the agenda here.

My posts have nothing to do with asking girls out or asking my friends to ask girls out for me, it is about these smocks. The nonsense you speak seems to only be because you will only accept the word of a known repro artist.

To those who keep saying there were no fakes coming out of this area during the 80's, just go look at Willi's post where he names numerous items that came out during this time period, and from this area. But that probably still won't satisfy everyone and it will just roll back to the same old questions, "Why would anyone go through the trouble of making these items then to sell to unsuspecting collectors". It's funny how his post was just ignored.

[Bob Chatt]

[QUOTE=nutmeg;8099594]

This is getting awfully silly , if you have already posted what he said . Re
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Not silly at all, since everyone wants to just ignore what he has said to numerous collectors about these smocks.

[nutmeg]

[QUOTE=Bob Chatt;8099614]

Not silly at all, since everyone wants to just ignore what he has said to numerous collectors about these smocks.

Very silly because you have already posted his opinion (as told to you) probably more than once and expect me to personally contact him to hear the exact same thing again. That fits my definition of silly.

Peterson's opinion is noted, let's move on.

[Robert H]

Bob

From nothing comes nothing ...

[phild]

I did not know GP was buying out of Eastern Europe during the period of 1980-81. Maybe he was but I know his big haul of PZ uniforms from USSR came much later like about 1990 and the world was much different. I did speak with him at a ISA show about these smocks around 83 or 84. He did not care for them due mainly to the color but don’t recall much of any specific issues. I do recall he thought the ink stamps were movie related therefore these must be props. I obvious disagreed and still do. I know they were not made as props.

How anyone thinks that he would have been aware of everything in the east is beyond me.

Robert H keeps suggesting that he has the secret code and can teleport the REAL truth on these from the one or ones who know. I wish he would share that here. I have never met anyone who could back up that they knew the real background of these past what Floch has stated.

[Felix]

George P youre on air! Why dont we let him?

After all he was one of the "guys" back then. Back in the days - before the iron curtain fell as I understand it. But for sure he was not the who found them. Im pretty sure diggers have quite some opinions about each other - as of today with dealers and collectors etc. However, all accounts that solves the case is of great value...