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I understand what you say here Jacques and accept the spirit that it is stated in.Originally posted by jacquesf View Post
Indeed, the real danger is the faker who comes here to peddle, perfect or sanitise their wares.
However, on the other hand the challenge is what a very experienced collector of 50+ years of collecting told me. I asked him, how many of a certain item would he have owned or handled in his time as a collector. His reply was just under 200. He then asked me how many thousands or millions they made to equip the German army during WW2 ? All he has ever had the chance to own, see or handle was a very narrow sample of the total they made. Many call him an expert in that field of collecting but he often ponders the examples, types and makers that he has not yet had the opportunity to study.
This situation and challenge equally applies to the collecting of SS camo. Questioning, research and reasoned debate will eventually sort the wheat from the chaff. In some areas that will happen quickly, others will take longer and some may take many years.
In my opinion in the case of this thread, the chaff is apparent,
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Here's one on the Collectors GuildComment
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Once you know what to look for you will never be fooled againComment
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Pater v Lucas has this screamer in his latest update. Surely he cannot blame Lorenzo this time
http://www.military-antiques-stockho...oducts_id=3002
Waffen SS Polizei/SS Polizei Division Camouflage Field Cap
Non issue, locally or regimental production Pea pattern Cammo cap. The cap is made of soft cotton cloth, similar or the same as the winter jackets and pants are made of. Look is like a M43 SS cap with a single brown bakelite button front. Fold down flaps as on a M43 cap. Above flap there are a Polizei Bevo eagle on black backing machinesewn in place, through the lining, as well as a metal national cocade above it.
Inside the cap is lined in cotton HBT cloth of the German type. No markings at the lining. Stiff peak like the ones on a M43 cap, probably paper inside.
Cap show dirt and chafewear all over on the outside and the same inside, looks like it have been worn for a while, it have the smell and greasy feel only a worn cap have. All proper period construction methods looks to have been used. Except for stainings and grease there are no damage.
Size approx 56
Interesting non issue cap, we never seen a smiliar before, for the collector who are looking for the non issue items.
1,295.00€
Waffen SS Polizei/SS Polizei Division Camouflage Field Cap [HF16007]
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Last edited by Disco Partisan; 04-18-2016, 05:36 PM.Comment
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Disco ,
Start a new thread on this cap.
ItS got NOTHING to do with this thread about Lorenzo AND HIS FAKING BUSINESS.Comment
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Owen:
I am looking at it from my cell phone but I would think this is not a Lorenzo cover..?
bnz.42:
So clear what your motivation is: Revenge. Keep going and do as your master pleases.
Props to Peter von Lukacs for taking part in exposing the Lorenzo scheme.
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If I remember right did not Peter and his company get caught re placing insg on a tropical AK cap .The owner of the cap said that it had no insg. on it when he sold it to Peter.The cap had all of its insg when Peter sold it.He later said that he FORGOT to say that the cap had the insg added by him when he put it up for sale.Originally posted by Disco Partisan View PostPater v Lucas has this screamer in his latest update. Surely he cannot blame Lorenzo this time
http://www.military-antiques-stockho...oducts_id=3002
Waffen SS Polizei/SS Polizei Division Camouflage Field Cap
Non issue, locally or regimental production Pea pattern Cammo cap. The cap is made of soft cotton cloth, similar or the same as the winter jackets and pants are made of. Look is like a M43 SS cap with a single brown bakelite button front. Fold down flaps as on a M43 cap. Above flap there are a Polizei Bevo eagle on black backing machinesewn in place, through the lining, as well as a metal national cocade above it.
Inside the cap is lined in cotton HBT cloth of the German type. No markings at the lining. Stiff peak like the ones on a M43 cap, probably paper inside.
Cap show dirt and chafewear all over on the outside and the same inside, looks like it have been worn for a while, it have the smell and greasy feel only a worn cap have. All proper period construction methods looks to have been used. Except for stainings and grease there are no damage.
Size approx 56
Interesting non issue cap, we never seen a smiliar before, for the collector who are looking for the non issue items.
1,295.00€
Waffen SS Polizei/SS Polizei Division Camouflage Field Cap [HF16007]
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The purpose for bringing this in is quite obvious. The only goal can be an attempt to distract from the actual matter.Originally posted by Dennis J View PostIf I remember right did not Peter and his company get caught re placing insg on a tropical AK cap .The owner of the cap said that it had no insg. on it when he sold it to Peter.The cap had all of its insg when Peter sold it.He later said that he FORGOT to say that the cap had the insg added by him when he put it up for sale.
Dennis J
I must have missed your other ( valuable ) contributions that I am very confident are to be found earlier in this thread.
This post of yours and bnz.42, a man I am sure you have never heard about, have got nothing to do with this thread here so I'd suggest to start a new thread instead of hijacking this one here. Although I agree that adding insignia to a cap is about the same as selling dozens of fake Covers and caps.
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Nevermind. Offtopic.Comment
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Hi,
i reposted the cap of Stockholm antiques in a separate topic here :
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=857394
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VinceComment
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Yes and i'll also be at least expecting the money which i lost (the 20%) back too!
Best Regards,
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Originally posted by pete View Post
The chances may be better than the chance of Lorenzo taking his gems back for a full -or even partial- refund. And the way I take it we are not looking at some 100 Euros in the latter scenario.
Again: I find it very likely that Lorenzo simply forgot about "your" cap and thus called it a fake. It seems it can be hard to keep track when you sell them by the dozen.
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I'll just depend on Peter here to do the right thing from his side, ill be quite happy to even have some items from him with that 20%
Best REgards,
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