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    #346
    Originally posted by Disco Partisan View Post
    Ben I like the precision, accuracy and clarity.
    Like in math 2+2=4
    .

    Don't we all? Yet it seems that in your world it is 2 and 2 is 5.

    I owe you an apology though as I accused you of being banned member bnz42 of course it is bnz.42. Terribly sorry.

    Cheers

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      #347
      You make personal attacks only because you are out of any arguments obviously you don't know what you are talking about

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        #348
        This thread should be locked and cleaned up,because this back and forwards crap just destroys the hobby.

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          #349
          Originally posted by Disco Partisan View Post
          But here we have a cap with the "white stitchings" that Lorenzo sold more than ten years ago to somebody and then 10 years it was Lorenzo who first identified this cap as a fake in this thread

          [Don't you guys find it a bit quite strange for a "faker" to not recognize his "own work-creation" (camo cap) and then reveal that it is fake? that absurd would never happen in the real world

          IMO Lorenzo sold it in good faith that this cap was original. Back then everyone thought it would be original.

          The past coming back to haunt !

          happens a lot in the real world and in this case,

          Chris

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            #350
            Originally posted by leib1 View Post
            This thread should be locked and cleaned up,because this back and forwards crap just destroys the hobby.
            You also posted 2 links to covers and when asked why did not reply.....

            Not very helpful to the thread..

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              #351
              Originally posted by Disco Partisan View Post
              The first one is not original
              The second is just a piece of camo covering helmet
              The third one is an original Oak cover
              Also i cant see this being a fake as its the first set up in the museum.
              I have heard he is a big collector.

              so is this a fake guys? as i did think all things in this museum was real.
              its a really nice place to go great setups maybe i make a thread on it as i took lots of pics

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                #352
                Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                Don't we all? Yet it seems that in your world it is 2 and 2 is 5.

                I owe you an apology though as I accused you of being banned member bnz42 of course it is bnz.42. Terribly sorry.

                Cheers
                You are funny.

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                  #353
                  Originally posted by jacquesf View Post
                  I have reached a point, thanx to the fakers, the greed and the people continuously and mindlessly debating , justifying and ignoring all evidence, trying to create doubt, where I am losing interest in this hobby or at least the public participation part of it. I am not talking about people that do the research and and having constructive discussion to further the hobby.

                  These (I call them the fakers friend) are the worst part of this hobby. OK maybe not worst, but definitely most annoying. J
                  There comes a point in Life, for all us collectors nowaday's, Jacques - when one finally comprehends the reality of the current situation . . . and no one can blame you for feeling this way - you are not alone. Sometimes I feel like one can continue to collect on the "consensus" basis - and that is all good and fine, so long as you are in agreement with the current "consensus" . . . and then there is that moment when you realize - when the pin drops - and you do not agree with the "consensus" . . . how much fun can one really get out of all of this? We all know by now, there is certainly a lot of junk out there . . .

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                    #354
                    Bottom line here .........


                    Now you all know Lorenzo is a faker .....scam artist.


                    Props to Fritz 100% for helping this faker be known.


                    o

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                      #355
                      Originally posted by N.C. Wyeth View Post
                      There comes a point in Life, for all us collectors nowaday's, Jacques - when one finally comprehends the reality of the current situation . . . and no one can blame you for feeling this way - you are not alone. Sometimes I feel like one can continue to collect on the "consensus" basis - and that is all good and fine, so long as you are in agreement with the current "consensus" . . . and then there is that moment when you realize - when the pin drops - and you do not agree with the "consensus" . . . how much fun can one really get out of all of this? We all know by now, there is certainly a lot of junk out there . . .
                      When I returned to collecting after 20 years away with an improved financial situation I thought long and hard about coming back to collecting SS insignia which was always my main area of interest but at my age (51 now) I always felt that I owe it to our girls to ensure that as I am merely a temporary custodian of these 'treasures' I would see to it that they would always be able to cash in my collection when the time comes OR I would be able to if times became tough again. With the dramatic improvement in the fakery of SS items and the way often there is no broad consensus I chose to collect German ribbon awards instead ... something which seems to be more generally black and white where the fakes are concerned.

                      There are people here who do the collecting world no service at all by attempting to pass off fakes as 'locally produced variants' or by their constant muddying of the waters and fudging of the line between real and fake for whatever motive. I have no dog in this fight but I'm old enough and smart enough to see when people have a motive for their defence of an item, the louder the protest the clearer it becomes.

                      Ian.

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                        #356
                        Originally posted by Ian Hulley View Post
                        When I returned to collecting after 20 years away with an improved financial situation I thought long and hard about coming back to collecting SS insignia which was always my main area of interest but at my age (51 now) I always felt that I owe it to our girls to ensure that as I am merely a temporary custodian of these 'treasures' I would see to it that they would always be able to cash in my collection when the time comes OR I would be able to if times became tough again. With the dramatic improvement in the fakery of SS items and the way often there is no broad consensus I chose to collect German ribbon awards instead ... something which seems to be more generally black and white where the fakes are concerned.

                        There are people here who do the collecting world no service at all by attempting to pass off fakes as 'locally produced variants' or by their constant muddying of the waters and fudging of the line between real and fake for whatever motive. I have no dog in this fight but I'm old enough and smart enough to see when people have a motive for their defence of an item, the louder the protest the clearer it becomes.

                        Ian.

                        Ian,

                        Questioning something will expose it for what it is.

                        Truth will show itself to be truth.
                        Error will show itself to be error.

                        Either way, we are better off as a result of those who question, regardless of how important, expert or untouchable the ones being questioned are.

                        That’s what questioning, research, balanced debate and reporting of findings pushes us toward…the answers. It helps us have a better understanding of the way things are. It doesn’t change reality, it just illuminates it and shows it for what it is,

                        Chris

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                          #357
                          Chris, I have no problem with questioning, as long as the individual asking the questions are doing it for the right reasons, with an open mind, able to to be persuaded by the facts and come to a conclusion other than his own. There are quite a few on the forum that does that and that is what makes the WAF a great tool and them great contributors. J

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                            #358
                            ^^ Precisely !

                            Ian

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                              #359
                              .

                              Pardon me for saying the word PINK then....

                              Best Regards,

                              Pete

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                                #360
                                Hi,





                                See You

                                Vince

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