Heinz Macher and Fritz Witt grouping.

[rob NL]

Robb did you see any helmet with holes in it???

The one that was shown looks way to neat to be a rusted helmet like the one that was comented by SS3

Yes, there also was a damaged helmet. But only with DNA testing you could be sure with those items...

[Spanish Freiwillige]

Yes, there also was a damaged helmet. But only with DNA testing you could be sure with those items...

so there were two helmets....

I guess maybe has a bit of a chance ...was it a SD or DD? what model?

Dou you happen to have photos of these items??

It would be very interesting to see them!!

[markus]

Did this grouping ever see the light of day online, or was it just being flogged to a select group?

Don

Kai Winkler, more-or-less carefully 'planted' the information into the market
about 3 years ago that he had just bought the group of a commander of the
12. SS-Pz. Division 'Hitlerjugend'.

In my case I talked to him one day, mentioning that I had just bought some
items from the estate of a Sepp Dietrich family member. He immediately started
talking about his latest purchase, mentioning to many, many items.

He offered me to visit him, but turned me down a couple of time when on
visit in Germany. Never had time. Avoiding me?

When I wanted to buy several hi-end documents, he told me straight to
go with my money elsewhere...

I heard from several people here on WAF who haven't posted that he did
the same 'game' of heating up the market, not selling and increasing mistique
with many others. It was all very, very exlusive and he would not want to
sell, he wanted 'to keep and enjoy' this group, as he put it.

In the meantime the market heated up. And everybody who called him
or visited his shop in the past always heard e.g. that he had just gotten
it the day before!

That's the MO: Creating desire and exclusivity to have better-off customers
shell out the money to satisfy their egos (I include myself).

I'm a dedicated LAH collector, as many here know, but this group is way
too contaminated to ever be desireable for my standards.

Btw, the whole case also shows how rare such groups are!

Markus

[Spanish Freiwillige]

maybe for the sake of the true items, if there are any, if somebody knows beyond a doubt which are they, they should be listed

Myabe as SS3 said some itmes are outthere that belonged to Witt, but which are they amongs all this krapola!!!

[John Pic]

Some of the other things ....

[John Pic]

[John Pic]

[John Pic]

[Thorsten B.]

I bet that 50% of these pieces are already sold.

[Spanish Freiwillige]

like it has been said, how many collectors are out there that buy blindly based on a good story by a dealer and are nowhere near a cumunity like this.....

[blitzkrieg gsd]

like it has been said, how many collectors are out there that buy blindly based on a good story by a dealer and are nowhere near a cumunity like this.....

There are plenty of collectors out there like that has to be. And the one thing they have in common is they have more money then brains. That has to be the truth cause they keep doing business with these dealers. I'm with the other member who said he thought the Internet would shut down these guys. But it didn't cause they won't use it instead they just believe these BS stories the dealers give them. If this didn't have the potential to hurt the whole collecting community I would say they get what they deserve. But this will trickle down and hurt us all in the end.

[markus]

I talked briefly to Kelly, he is on a vacation. I will ask again how it happened. Maybe I'm mistaken.
Kelly knows his SS stuff also, so I am not worried.
More to follow.

Hi Rob,

Have you taked to Kelly again after his vacations?

Does he still feel comftable with the story he was told,
the picker claiming the complete JSB tunic of Brosow had
survived in the attic together with an M43 field cap and
an officer's belt?

All these uniform items always get found after the
original owners have past naturally...

I still feel that tunic looks a lot like the set Winkler had
for sale about 11-12 years ago...

Markus

[DonC]

In the meantime the market heated up. And everybody who called him
or visited his shop in the past always heard e.g. that he had just gotten
it the day before!

That's the MO: Creating desire and exclusivity to have better-off customers
shell out the money to satisfy their egos (I include myself).

Markus

Well, Winkler isn't the only one who does this. There is a certain well-known Texas dealer who does the Texas show circuit and will always tell you "I just got this the other day" when you look at one of his items - even if you had seen it on his table at gun shows three and fours years running...

Don

[blitzkrieg gsd]

Sounds like these dealers got all this worked out to the T. I wounded if practice didn't make perfect?

[rob NL]

Hi Rob,

Have you taked to Kelly again after his vacations?

Does he still feel comftable with the story he was told,
the picker claiming the complete JSB tunic of Brosow had
survived in the attic together with an M43 field cap and
an officer's belt?

All these uniform items always get found after the
original owners have past naturally...

I still feel that tunic looks a lot like the set Winkler had
for sale about 11-12 years ago...

Markus

Yes, I did. The story does check out.