And How About This Dream.......m43 Ss Pz Cap At E-stand

[Bob Coleman]

I concur with Mr. Singer that, from the images, the cap would not be for me either.
Bob

[GARY1405]

Great forum guys.............

Thanks for all the help

[SJP]

I don't recall Mr Singer claiming to be a "expert".He has an opinion sometimes cryptic but for good reason as Mike D stated.Sometimes you read between lines.
If the the insignia is accepted as original and has been applied w/period like sewing,that leaves the Style of the hat,material and constuction in question.Based on ones expierence you can draw your own conclusions.
I also "would entertain a doubt" Cheers Steve

[djpool]

M43 Caps are a real problem area to evaluate these days. Personally I have a difficult time trying to sort real from fake from pictures alone. Every site you visit seems to have them-field grey, Panzer (Heer and SS) etc. Most look unissued and many only size stamped.
Heer black M43s used to be hard to find. I've seen a half dozen including a few officer versions for sale the past few months. All unissued. Well I have seen one no brainer on Mr Sheas site but even with the tunic and pants $15K is a bit steep for me!

So Mr Singer is correct in warning the collector community to be cautious of unissued items. There may be other problem areas that bother him based on his own collecting experience. I wish he would share them with us, but thats his decision if he doesn't. The fact that he shot up the flare should make us look closer at the item, before passing judgement. If someone is willing to share some pictures of a "undisputed original piece" that might help to resolve the discussion. Or maybe not, my gut feeling tells me that the newer repros are technically correct..the truth probably lies in the materials themselves and effects of natural aging.

From the perspective of a Heer collector I would also be wary of Black wraps, Field Grey wraps, HBT wraps, Panzer Berets, Panzer Officers overseas caps and 1st Model Camo Smocks which all seem quite commonplace on the market today.

Here is another unissued SS M43 on Weitzes site. I compared it with the one that started this thread.

WR Jim

[djpool]

Another shot. Maybe I should start collecting Beer Cans made in 2006, I don't think they are being reproduced!

[Bobwirtz]

I think the 2006 beercans are being refilled though!

Bob

[90th Light]

My understanding is that quite a few of these Herringbone lined SS M43 caps have turned up in the last ten years. Some say these are war-time stock-piles which have been discovered, others say they are being made up out of stock-piles of bolts of war-time material which have been found.

Both theories are feasible. I have seen an unissued veteran brought back SS M43 cap with a trap machine stitched like the one that started this thread. I have also come across the son of a New Zealand veteran whose father was a tailor before the war and sent several bolts of Italian uniform cloth back to New Zealand because he was impressed with the quality of it.

Are these SS M43's good or bad ? I have been lead to believe that the late Micheal Beaver had made quite a study of such SS M43's and collected a good range of photos of them in collections and being worn. This was to complete a chapter in his planned series of books on SS head-gear. Sadly with his un-timely passing this may not happen but it would have been one source of research that we all would have taken notice of. Could any member of the forum throw light on any thoughts Micheal might have had about these caps ?

Here also is another interesting debate the forum has raised, not that long ago there was a thread asking if SS M43 caps with RB numbers stamped in them could be trusted and did not seem right. At the same time there was another thread saying that WH M43's with-out a makers stamp or RB number and only a size stamp should be viewed with great caution and were probably reproductions.

Is it any wonder we all get confused about what is right and what is wrong, who should we listen to and who should we ignore ?

As for beer-cans, they do nothing for me but I have started collecting Imperial German Beer Steins because it is alot easier to tell good from bad than it is with M43 caps (Still like M43's however)

Look forward to what others think, Chris

[B. N. Singer]

[QUOTE=djpool] Here is another unissued SS M43.... I compared it with the one that started this thread.

Thank you Jim for your recent posting of the example on this dealers site.

I would hope that others might find it Instructive, with also considering Glenn's ("feldwebl) accurate comment of how Original examples of these hats are so Very Rare.

And forget beer cans, I doubt you would find much enjoyment in those!

B. N. Singer

[BenVK]

Try saying "beer can" without sounding like a Jamaican saying "bacon"...

[90th Light]

I certainly find enjoyment in consuming what is inside beer cans and I reckon if I have enough of them I could say "bacon" really clearly. Others around me might dis-agree however.

Chris

[Daniele C]

ss m43 with rb nr are of course possible to find!

[90th Light]

Hello Lelez, yes I agree I have one but there are members of the forum who say it is not so. A debate like this took place between those say they do have RB numbers and those who say they do not.
I think on many SS items we may not get a consensus of opinion.

Chris

[Daniele C]

i have one as well and it s 100%good!members that say the opposite simply dont know it

[90th Light]

My SS M43 with an RB number has a Herringbone liner and it has a trap like the one which started this thread. All in field-grey however. Many would express extreme caution but for the fact that it came from one of the big name USA dealers who every-one trusts so I can breath easy. May-be this explains why I find this thread interesting and would like to know why the cap which started it is wrong because it compares very nicely with the one I got from a trusted source.

Chris

[billbert]

I will offer a brief speak to the fray here.. many Senior collectors are all too willing to offer there advise on an item BUT they have the right not tell all their trade secrets they ve discovered..Some collectors travel through the hobby and are unable to learn on their own and sometimes even with some help dont learn..Yes people ..dealers in this hobby have been buying loose insignia for years and having things made overseas(and maybe in usa) to decieve the collector..I m sure theyve come close to perfection..If someones tells all his technigues to all here then the next batch of fakes will be even better ..So please dont think that when some senior peoples opinions here are offered with a TOTAL explaination ..that Its being offered to be smug..they really are trying to help you out..And if an item gets scooped up right away by a senior collector..It was probably real..Often when in doubt do without works well..But take a look at anything and everything..Good luck to all!!..Billbert
My first dacahu pazer m43 was from a dealer at he ungodly price of 200 bucks..we ve come a long way baby!!