[QUOTE=sunny59]... all comments are very welcome.
That hat is a fake or else the Absolutely best deal I have seen in a decade.
B. N. Singer
That hat is a fake or else the Absolutely best deal I have seen in a decade.
B. N. Singer
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So at the end is that hat good or a fake with a good trap??does it show any wear??Comment
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"That hat is a fake or else the Absolutely best deal I have seen in a decade."
B. N. Singer
Mr Singer - please give me the name of the book you have written on SS Militaria. If you are going to post a comment either positive or negative it is best to back it up with facts......just because you have not seen one this good in 10 years does not then mean a item is fake......can you help me and the rest of the guys who judge it 100% on why you think it is not....in specific facts would be best.
Cheers
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[QUOTE=GARY1405]......just because you have not seen one this good in 10 years does not then mean a item is fake......
Caveat emptor should be the mantra with any military collectable and that goes especially for this hat.
You send that hat to me and I'll give you all the fact you need and if I should be shocked by what I find, I'll buy it at twice what your asking.
B. N. SingerLast edited by B. N. Singer; 05-09-2006, 05:03 PM.Comment
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[quote=B. N. Singer]Mr Singer,Originally posted by GARY1405
I'm not a collector of SS anything, so I have no knowledge of what to look for in judging originality. There have been a number of experienced collectors who have blessed the piece. I know your an experienced Panzer collector so I would welcome your comments on "why" you feel this piece is suspect. Sorry but "Caveat emptor" doesn't really help when your not sure what your looking for. WR JimComment
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I sympathize completely with Jim's plight and that of others. Although I have been "taken to task" on this forum for my unwillingness to elaborate as to the reasons for my opinions, that will remain my choice.
As for authorship, please do not assume that if a person chooses to write a book that it is necessarily backed up with creditable knowledge. There have been many superior works on various topics in this hobby, which have been of true credit and help. Regrettably, there have been just as many, perhaps more (IMO) that have been nothing but a Disservice. Some of the best and sharpest collectors in this "game" (and I do NOT consider myself amongst them) have never, nor will they ever consider writing a book.
Concerning the hat, from the pictures, it is well constructed and executed having an obviously original insignia. There are however, certain features that are of concern, not least of which is the low price (an original Heer Pz M43 would bring close to double perhaps more)! Which I suppose, could be the buyers fortune (getting an exceptional deal) and the sellers misfortune (the mistake of selling a Very Rare and desirable hat well below what the market would bring), but I would entertain doubts about this. The chance to examine this would prove quite interesting, which is not to suggest that I would expect my opinion to be altered.
B. N. SingerComment
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Just because an item is a good deal, shouldn't be the only reason to damn it as a fake. Though it does seem to be a good rule-of-thumb to be paranoid with SS items.
Mr Singer, I think you are overestimating the market value of these a wee bit here. A similar one on Whamond's site recently sold for $2600 (referred to earlier in this thread) -- not $3300; but nonetheless, you are right, Gary's cap is a good deal (assuming it's 100% genuine of course).
My only real concern is that I would like to see a bit more wear to the nap of the wool. However, we all know that stocks of these late-war caps were 'liberated' unissued at depots across the crumbling Reich in 1945, so a nice lightly worn example is very possible.Comment
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"......can you help me and the rest of the guys who judge it 100% on why you think it is not....in specific facts would be best."
I've read through this thread several times and I haven't seen 'the rest of the guys' judging this cap as 100% original. The majority of members have had a running conversation about the insignia and the application to the cap, but only one has said they really liked the cap itself... and one person besides Mr. Singer has cast doubts on it. I don't see a quorum here.
BobComment
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Bob your absolutely correct.The majority of the comments were about the insignia. Only one member gave the hat aOriginally posted by Bobwirtz
. So is the hat good or bad?
WR JimComment
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The point still remains...............if Mr Singer judges it as fake why not give the reasons ???
Thank god he and others who give opinions on this forum without evidence do not reside in courts of law.............eg "He is guilty.....strap him in the electric chair and lets fry him"...........The Jury "on what grounds"...........he looks mean and dangerous"............The Jury "what evidence do you have"............"Oh none ...just a gut feeling"............
I read this a lot on forum items...........people quick to condem a item and give no reason...as if their word is sacred and others should be glad to just have their minimal output.
So come on Mr Singer give us the pearls of your wisdom.....i have a large portion of Humble Pie and cream to eat personally if you proove you are correct...alternatively i can stick it in a cool bag and send it over for your breakfast.
GaryComment
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i dont think that from pictures you can say something is or is not good 100% maybe 90% cos i ve always believed exspecially for cloth things that u have to handle,study and if you can ,comparing them to a known good one before makin any decision.how many things were thought to be original from pics and then the person who bought it examinin found out it was a "good"fake?i give reason to Mr Singer being cautious with stuff like this.
just my opinion
DanComment
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I agree totally Dan.Originally posted by lelez
I think I posted that the "cap looks like a nice original" and gave it a thumbs up. That's what it looks like to me from these photos but as we all know, photos can be missleading. You never know for sure until you get these things in your hands but there's enough elements that I personnaly like about this cap (especially the herringbone liner) for me to take a chance on it. I'm sure Gary would honour a return refund in any case so what's the problem?Comment
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It would be different perhaps, were I to have come down on the favorable side with my opinion of this hat, then no reason seems to be required. I only, as was solicited in the beginning of this thread, gave my opinion. I do not expect that anybody should care of what I speak, that is the "nature" of opinions, take them for what you feel they are worth, and if you feel them worthless, fine.
I have been asked, on occasion, to give first hand opinions on items (at collecting shows or by having the item sent), and I would offer that here. My fee is small, I require only that you sod the expense of shipping both ways and assume the risk for insurance. If the present owner of this hat or the new owner wishes to do this, perhaps we both will learn something.
As to pricing, unfortunately, I do not follow the dealer's sites as I probably should however, it is my FIRM belief that the reason for some of these prices being as they are is that the items in question are "spurious" at best and are being offered as original. When you find the genuine article, you will notice the difference in cost. As example, by the Green "Dachau" SS M43 hat having the black PZ trapezoid insignia offered on Whamond's site for (someone correct me here if I am wrong) $4,000 or $5,000 I seem to remember. Now that was an original piece and certainly equal in rarity to the example being discussed in this thread. Funny, any number of these sharp dealer fellows (who certainly must also watch this forum from the wings) didn't rush in and pounce on this deal!
Finally, all be it, specific details lacking, my intentions in any of my postings on this forum is to "point" the direction that I feel one should be looking, nothing more.
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As I understand it, most, if not all of the items on the Collectors Guild site are on consignment so it's not the dealer setting the prices in this case, it's the owners.Comment
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Gentlemen, I would not be to critical of Mr. Singer, I have been put in this same position quite a number of times also. You asked for a opinion, you received same, to go into specific details on this Forum amounts to "copies that are harder to detect" I would say this to you , he is the "go to " guy for Panzer items . He is telling you to study the hat and compare it to know originals, then make your decision. This M-43 e hat left me with some doubts also.
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