And How About This Dream.......m43 Ss Pz Cap At E-stand

[djpool]

" Marilyn Monroe shot down Manfred von Richtofen while in a menage-a-trois with the Kennedy brothers in Area Fifty One"

Thats not true? jim

[Donald Abenheim]

und so weiter und sofort !

" Marilyn Monroe shot down Manfred von Richtofen while in a menage-a-trois with the Kennedy brothers in Area Fifty One"

Thats not true? jim

I must restrain my "pompous egg head" approach to the past, of course. Or, perhaps Jayne Mansfield was killed, not by her Buick or Oldsmobile or by the rear end of truck, but by some other sinister force, dark invaders, unseen hands, Illuminati, conspirators of the elders of....... denizens of the outer limits, twilight zone or expressionless, unfeeling people who emerge from repulsive looking soapy pods in the Hollywood hills &c. pi pa po. One could also add the Welteislehre aka world ice theory of Hanns Hoerbiger, which does, in fact, bear on national socialism and the SS, actually, but does little for those eager to unravel the riddles of fetid woolens.

[Paul l k]

the bigger picture is ?????

again WOW ! .. what a topic .. it just keeps on getting bigger and bigger ! .. Chris, here are the pictures you requested of the interior of my M43, i have taken two shots in two different light settings ..
i hope this will help others out there with this type of lining material ..
i like many others still want to be put in the picture on what exactly is the problem with this type of cap construction .. what is the big secret that just can not be shared .. non of us and i am no exception are getting any younger, if these so called secrets are never passed on to younger collectors then eventually sadly we will all have passed from this world and the reproducers of the time will be very wealthy indeed ! ..
Paul l k

[Paul l k]

2nd picture ..

[90th Light]

Thank you to those who answered my request for information about the Dachau SS M43's ( Gary, Bob and Mr Singer) If I understand you correctly there are original Dachau SS M43's with unique characteristics un-like other M43's and there are fake Dachau SS M43's. Have the fake ones also copied the unique characteristics ?

Are there also then, original versions of the SS M43 Panzer with trap which started this thread and also fake versions of this cap ? The cap which started the thread has been declared fake. Is the cap which Paul.l.k has kindly supplied pictures of also a fake or the real deal ??? ( thank you Paul for the inside shots )

As for the Jane Mansfield, the Red Baron and Marilyn Munroe I do not know but next we will be debating if Neil Armstrong really did walk on the moon in 1969 or was it a fake like so many claim.

Chris

[Perry Floyd]

Chris,
Actually those black Dachau m43 caps have other unique traits and are not constructed in the same way as the cap that started this thread.
cheers
Gary

I agree.

[90th Light]

Hello Perry, I am not questioning the fact that the Dachau SS Panzer M43's have unique characteristics. That I can accept and living in New Zealand, I have not had alot of opportunities to handle many of them.

Also I must add that I had not considered the Dachau M43 is being copied but this makes sense. Some-one told me the other day that there are now very good copies of the highly debated "Pink" SS smocks which gets you wondering because it is hard enough to sell a so-called original one of those smocks.

I suppose when it comes to 3rd Reich Militaria and Militaria in general any-thing is possible, Chris

[judas]

Dont bother to ask any further about the latest cap posted as you can read judgement was already passed. It doesnt matter what evidence thier is to back it up that we havent learned yet. If someone says its bad its bad even if it isnt. What a joke

how right you are john even though it has been said this should be discussed in private with regards to sensitive issues because of the fakers - this is a fair call.
I can see the reasoning behind it and the people that have deemed this cap fake
are highly thought of and well vetted in this arena.
Yet still I have not had one response in regards to what is wrong with this cap?
I have even asked for a private email and yet I am by far no dealer or fraudster.

John, I have read and watched you for at least a couple of years now, and you can be arrogant at times, but at least with you, you are honest and there are no hidden agendas and I take on board your comments and evaluate them for what you have said and give credit where credit is due.

Paul,
Wonderful display of daggers and such.may I ask, here or in private email, as I know that NZ is very small, where you are from?
Maybe the answers I am looking for will come direct from you and your cap.
As a fellow NZ'r has said " you are like the Cavalier coming to the rescue."
I would like to see this cap if possible, and maybe we could arrange this to happen if you are ok about this and email me.
regards
judas

[judas]

Hi Chris,
just reread your post, very interesting you bringing up the pink smock. I have examined one here. What is your conclusion on this smock?
Unfortunately, I have not examined another but will be in the process of examining an A type smock in the near future that is here, so this will be interesting as you and I are well aware we do not have the luxury of the big shows overseas..
The last show I went to had I believe approx 30 tables full of crap from K mart - so to speak
judas

[90th Light]

Hello Judas, are you in the north or the south of the country ? because there is a big Militaria and firearms show in Christchurch in July. This is the second year they have organised this and many are hoping it will become the SOS for New Zealand. There will be lots of dealers, collectors and displays. May-be we will see you there

If you want to know more about "Pink" Smocks do a search on this forum and the German Uniforms Forum. There has been quite a debate about these and if they are real or not. It would not be appriopate to go over this debate here but the SS collecting community seems very devided about them.

Hope this is of use, Chris

[judas]

what a joke your the one who brought the pink smock into this debate as for this show down south it would be like swimming in mud up here as well like salmon swimming upstream . i have met every dealer in this country and that says jack **** for their integrity and integrity i would rather take my chances swimming upstream with the salmon or the trout.what is your opinion on the pink smock now we are getting into the pins smock debate.i am busy swimming upstream at the moment but more serious paul if you are ouy there i would love to examine your cap.kind regards judas.

[B. N. Singer]

[QUOTE=90th Light] Have the fake ones also copied the unique characteristics ?

If in fact I am correct about there being reproductions of the SS Pz "Dachau" M43 hats, they are made according to the originals and incorporate the same features as the originals.

B. N. Singer

[judas]

[QUOTE=B. N. Singer]

Have the fake ones also copied the unique characteristics ?

If in fact I am correct about there being reproductions of the SS Pz "Dachau" M43 hats, they are made according to the originals and incorporate the same features as the originals.

B. N. Singer

well what logic comes from this the old old hold the fountain of youth and the youth .suffer,but it seems the old want to keep their knowledge. fairenough but at what cost..there are those that wont to know .kind regards

[90th Light]

Hello Judas, it is not that I do not want to debate the "Pink" Smocks they are a fascinating argument over what is right and what is wrong. I do think however that Gary Wood would not thank me for the lengthy side-track of this thread that this would involve and many of the other forum members following this would quickly ask that we get back on to SS M43 caps. I do believe however that some of the issues around the "Pink" Smocks being reproduction or not are also applicable to this debate.

I will take it from your reaction to the Christchurch show that you are in the North Island ?

Chris

[90th Light]

Hello Mr Singer, thank you for confirming that the quality of the fake Dachau SS M43 Panzer caps is as good as the originals. This trying to pick good from bad is turning into an academic nightmare,

Chris