SS uniform ID help needed

[judas]

i did not realise wolf was in the sd any more info on that

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

on the "can you count the pixels game", here is my main concern, the tip of the flap of the left pocket.
Clearly not sharp on the period picture, and clearly sharp on the recently found tunic.
And yes, the right flap tip is "rounded" on the unknown tunic, (the tip is bended, which is not the case of the tip on the left pocket).

See You

Vince

[Felix]

Sadly my reply and explaination was also lost. I hope forum administration will secure that in the future!? Surely there must be back up routines before any updates? Otherwise time to solve that part.
I dont mind to admit that I was proven wrong - on the contrary - I welcome it. I am glad and congrats to the owner! This is how we all learn. The game changer was the matching collar tabs comparison with that period picture. One cant deny that fact. They do match quite closely.
However my judgement was based on the pictures and sound reasoning before that. A lot of signs showed up that was not wanted for a true item. I stand by that a 100% and I am surprised by the outcome but I also adjust to what has been presented. New facts has been presented. Very nice to see! High end items must pass this high level of scrutiny. Thats what this forum is about right? A few speed bumps towards the conclusion - a needed process - or we will end up with accepted fakes in the blink of an eye. A lot of bad signs IMHO and still a few gaps to fill in. Some details differs like pointed collar tabs vs more straight cut (has been debated in the past), the sew ins of the shoulder boards and how they protrude. Could be the angles and quality of the pictues. Could be a different tunic with reused insignias? Who knows...
Some might claim I lack the knowledge to have the right to comment and they might be correct. Feel free to do so. However I feel there must be a deep level of scrutiny. The policy of silence and the posibility of hostile aggressive comments will not stop me from leaving comments. That speaks more of the guys leaving that kind of comments.

Congrats to the owner

Cheers
//Felix

[cossack1648]

Maybe it is lighting and loss of detail due to magnification. Compare that tip on the other pocket and its shade. Is it pointy or round?

[judas]

well was wolf in the sd ??

[judas]

Maybe it is lighting and loss of detail due to magnification. Compare that tip on the other pocket and its shade. Is it pointy or round?

yea best he send me the tunic the tip just killed it

[Oldrusty26]

i did not realise wolf was in the sd any more info on that

What is SD about which uniform ??

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

the right flap tip was originally sharp, and is bended on the current unknown tunic. Someone can still say that it can be understood due to the +70 years the tunic was "badly" packed.

But the left pocket flap tip starting rounded/bended (on the period picture) and becoming sharp in the current unknown tunic is less understandable.

See You

Vince

[cossack1648]

Another example how detail magnification on period image distorts details. How much black can you see in those circled areas surrounded by light areas compared to modern photo. You just can't keep magnifying period image and expect clear effect and detail consistency like in modern picture. What was the size of the original image? 2 by 3 inches maybe

[Felix]

Thats not easy to tell... Difference between period pics and todays.... Period pic is bleached out and the TS is more clear. However the pointy collar versus the the more straght cut is quite interesting...

[phild]

well was wolf in the sd ??

I don’t think that Wolff was in the SD based on my understanding of his service bio. I’m also not positive that the Leather coat is specifically SD although I guess it may be. My understanding is there were other members of the SS main office they wore blank tabs other than strictly SD. Not something that I have studied in maybe 30-40 years so my recollection could be wrong.
Lastly I would not nor did not see the coat being Wolffs personal uniform coat but rather picked up in proximity to Wolffs tunic from SS building or who knows. IMO I don’t see that the coat would have been worn with that insignia set up much longer than beginning of the war latest.

[judas]

I don’t think that Wolff was in the SD based on my understanding of his service bio. I’m also not positive that the Leather coat is specifically SD although I guess it may be. My understanding is there were other members of the SS main office they wore blank tabs other than strictly SD. Not something that I have studied in maybe 30-40 years so my recollection could be wrong.
Lastly I would not nor did not see the coat being Wolffs personal uniform coat but rather picked up in proximity to Wolffs tunic from SS building or who knows. IMO I don’t see that the coat would have been worn with that insignia set up much longer than beginning of the war latest.

thank you as i thought my self , but some one came in and added that the leather jacket belongs to wolf , and phild i in no way thought you had implied it was wolfs .

[John Pic]

Hi,

on the "can you count the pixels game", here is my main concern, the tip of the flap of the left pocket.
Clearly not sharp on the period picture, and clearly sharp on the recently found tunic.
And yes, the right flap tip is "rounded" on the unknown tunic, (the tip is bended, which is not the case of the tip on the left pocket).

See You

Vince

Clearly due to shadowing . It is the same pocket .

[John Pic]

Sadly my reply and explaination was also lost. I hope forum administration will secure that in the future!? Surely there must be back up routines before any updates? Otherwise time to solve that part.
I dont mind to admit that I was proven wrong - on the contrary - I welcome it. I am glad and congrats to the owner! This is how we all learn. The game changer was the matching collar tabs comparison with that period picture. One cant deny that fact. They do match quite closely.
However my judgement was based on the pictures and sound reasoning before that. A lot of signs showed up that was not wanted for a true item. I stand by that a 100% and I am surprised by the outcome but I also adjust to what has been presented. New facts has been presented. Very nice to see! High end items must pass this high level of scrutiny. Thats what this forum is about right? A few speed bumps towards the conclusion - a needed process - or we will end up with accepted fakes in the blink of an eye. A lot of bad signs IMHO and still a few gaps to fill in. Some details differs like pointed collar tabs vs more straight cut (has been debated in the past), the sew ins of the shoulder boards and how they protrude. Could be the angles and quality of the pictues. Could be a different tunic with reused insignias? Who knows...
Some might claim I lack the knowledge to have the right to comment and they might be correct. Feel free to do so. However I feel there must be a deep level of scrutiny. The policy of silence and the posibility of hostile aggressive comments will not stop me from leaving comments. That speaks more of the guys leaving that kind of comments.

Congrats to the owner

Cheers
//Felix

Felix if you took my comments to heart please don’t, I regard you as one of the forums best in insignia knowledge. Not many do the work like you do and to admit mistakes is a sign of a real gentleman. I wasn’t refering to you I didn’t see your post until later and realized my own mistake .

[Oldrusty26]

I don’t think that Wolff was in the SD based on my understanding of his service bio. I’m also not positive that the Leather coat is specifically SD although I guess it may be. My understanding is there were other members of the SS main office they wore blank tabs other than strictly SD. Not something that I have studied in maybe 30-40 years so my recollection could be wrong.
Lastly I would not nor did not see the coat being Wolffs personal uniform coat but rather picked up in proximity to Wolffs tunic from SS building or who knows. IMO I don’t see that the coat would have been worn with that insignia set up much longer than beginning of the war latest.

I have no idea who’s it is , it came with the tunic and they said it was his . That’s why I’m looking too , thanks for all the help .