SS-Oscha. Klosterhuber's SS tunic

[istra63]

The field made Tank Destruction badges have very little value if they were off the tunic. One cannot compare them to a textbook tank destruction badge in pricing.

Has anyone else seen example of these?
AntiqueWW2, do you have some comparable field made examples?
Apologies if this is off subject

[Dennis S]

I’m certainly not an expert on tunics , but I would like to add some food for thought on some of the supposed issues if it’s the same tunic or not as the soldbuch photo .
I can’t really say for sure but just hear me out.

A. As stated the photo shows the collar unhooked and hooked on the mannequin can show a different perspective of the collar.

B. The ribbon bar could have just been stabbed in on for the photo. The ribbon bars were certainly not always worn .

C. The angle or position of the pocket alignment could be different because as shown it is presented on a basically straight standing mannequin . The soldbuch photo was probably taken sitting down .

As I said I’m no expert in judging tunics but I wore one almost everyday for twenty five years . When wearing a bluse especially with a overbelt across the mid waist . Yes ...we even had belt hooks as it was similar to a four pocket Luftwaffe or SS style rock tunic . When you sat down the tunic or bluse would ride up sometimes to a certain degree and not always the same way.

D. The wrinkles ... the wrinkles are not always just wrinkles like a wrinkled shirt or pants that change if ironed out or change because of humidity of the material
Sometimes these subtle wrinkles occur in clothing because the amount of material sewn in between seams like the sleeve , pocket, shoulder seam , edge of opening etc. is a tad too large not allowing the cloth in between to flatten properly . No amount of ironing , flattening will make them go away. Almost like the cloth has memory. I had uniform once that had these wrinkles between the bottom pocket and bottom of bluse and no matter what I did would reappear no matter what. Could be why the wrinkles are the same.



One time I showed an absolutely original SS m42 tunic on a half mannequin .
It received the total blessing of WAF except for one guy that insisted it in a gotcha moment was bad because as it appeared one breast pocket was lower than the other( poorly made) . In the photo it actually did appear that way as it was on the mannequin not perfectly or a bit cocked , or just pulling up .

That all said I’m not disagreeing with anyone here as it is above my pay grade
Just pointing out some nuances .

[Dennis S]

Sorry for bad pic as this is really old.

As you can see the tunic is pulled up a bit on the left side making the pocket angles incorrect .. The friction of the burlap mannequin is catching the interior of jacket in reality they are not.

This can be happening in the soldbuch photo also to some other extent .

I now defer without prejudice.

[AntiqueWW2]

Yes several over the Years. And here is something better, a original Picture with one in wear including a Field made DK. Some are sloppy others very well done. What ever they had at the Moment to make one was used.

Has anyone else seen example of these?
AntiqueWW2, do you have some comparable field made examples?
Apologies if this is off subject

[AntiqueWW2]

All is possible, as well as a Tailor who misplaced the Pockets. But with the Tunic in Questions there are much more wrong then only the Pockets that you can safe say it is a different Tunic. Start with Pockets, Collar, Shoulderboards Top Botton.....no matter if the Collar was hooked or not, it is not the same Tunic. Beside that it is restored as well. If you want to sell something as a Group, then you need to be able to come forward with some rock solid proof it is a real Group. And in this Case, that is sadly not there, at least not for me.

Sorry for bad pic as this is really old.

As you can see the tunic is pulled up a bit on the left side making the pocket angles incorrect .. The friction of the burlap mannequin is catching the interior of jacket in reality they are not.

This can be happening in the soldbuch photo also to some other extent .

I now defer without predigest

[Dennis S]

All is possible, as well as a Tailor who misplaced the Pockets. But with the Tunic in Questions there are much more wrong then only the Pockets that you can safe say it is a different Tunic. Start with Pockets, Collar, Shoulderboards Top Botton.....no matter if the Collar was hooked or not, it is not the same Tunic. Beside that it is restored as well. If you want to sell something as a Group, then you need to be able to come forward with some rock solid proof it is a real Group. And in this Case, that is sadly not there, at least not for me.

I agree with you about provenance . I was just pointing out that photos don’t always speak the exact truth . By the way ...the point I was making with the photo is not the tailor misplaced the pockets on my tunic .... as they are not in reality . It is the position on the mannequin making it appear so .

[salt*creek]

I think the tank destruction badges are the best thing about this tunic.

[AntiqueWW2]

You are absolute right, also that can be the case with the Soldbuch Picture. Is always the same with SS...you are standing in middle of a Minefield, rule nr1. then to me is always, what has real rock solid proof goes at the take it Table and make party....and what has not goes onto the buy it but buy it as what it is.....Parts

I agree with you about provenance . I was just pointing out that photos don’t always speak the exact truth . By the way ...the point I was making with the photo is not the tailor misplaced the pockets on my tunic .... as they are not in reality . It is the position on the mannequin making it appear so .

[Zauberflöte]

I think the tank destruction badges are the best thing about this tunic.

I agree, I would choose these over standard issue ones if I would know them to be the tunic's originals. Definitely adds to the garments character IMO.

[AntiqueWW2]

1+++ you cant beat a Tunic with a Field made TDB. Here are a few more Variations, all of them with proof to be worn in the Field or period on the Tunic. They are just cool

I agree, I would choose these over standard issue ones if I would know them to be the tunic's originals. Definitely adds to the garments character IMO.

[101combatvet]

http://stores.militaryhistoryshop.co...-example-rare/

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

i'm posting the pictures from the link provided by 101combatvet, pictures courtesy of stores.militaryhistoryshop.com

I have an off-topic question for the specialists : were the soldiers wearing tank destruction badge executed on the spot when they were captured by the Western or Soviet forces ?
It seemed that it was the case for snipers.

See You

Vince

[AntiqueWW2]

The Fieldmade TDBs are not that hard to find, and very easy to fake. They are only then interesting if you have proof that they where worn or when they are original on a Tunic.

Snipers where shot because of what they did, out of distance that is also the reason why you will not find a Picture with a Sniper Badge in wear...

A TDB is a total different Story. I have no knowledge about anyone who was killed because of a TDB.....

[Jeff V]

Has anyone else seen example of these?
AntiqueWW2, do you have some comparable field made examples?
Apologies if this is off subject

I have not seen anything exactly like these. I am hesitant to call these field made after looking at these images. A field made badge is usually made of common items like leftover tresse and a cut out tank out of some cloth or tin. These badges on the other hand have some embroidery of the tank mimicking the true private purchase embroidered tank destruction strip, which is much higher quality. To me these look like a fake used to jazz up a uniform. Without much better provenance than a dealer saying "this came from a guy who knew the family" I would not want these pieces in my collection.

[AntiqueWW2]

The TDBs are ok, i had one very similar at a Group what i owned and got straight out of the Soldiers Hands including a Picture from him wearing it. There Field Tailor spent 2 Days getting it done for him, and he left it on his Tunic till the End of the War. Sadly that was nearly 20 years ago and i don't own the Group anymore. But will try to get a Picture from it. Here is one other very similar Example......i am not worried about the Badges rather then the Fact he has 2 of them. Never seen 2 of them in Wear, and i am not so sure Klosterhuber even was awarded with 2. And there you are absolute right Jeff, without any solid provenance i would not want any Fieldmade TDB.

I have not seen anything exactly like these. I am hesitant to call these field made after looking at these images. A field made badge is usually made of common items like leftover tresse and a cut out tank out of some cloth or tin. These badges on the other hand have some embroidery of the tank mimicking the true private purchase embroidered tank destruction strip, which is much higher quality. To me these look like a fake used to jazz up a uniform. Without much better provenance than a dealer saying "this came from a guy who knew the family" I would not want these pieces in my collection.