SS helmet on e-stand

[Totenhead]

I have also had experience with paint spraying, I have over the years restored quite a few cars and old motorcycles, and taught myself to spray paint.

In my humble opinion the black spots are paint overspray without a doubt.

But the more I look at the entire helmet; it appears the entire helmet is covered with what appears to be an overspray of some kind.
It may sound silly but to me it appears someone decided to overspray the entire helm with overspray, and masked out the decals to protect them, or on the other hand, the helm could have been sat on a shelf in a garage while some paint spraying was being conducted and was accidently over sprayed with paint and the decals have been cleaned afterwards
Paint overspray can get everywhere quite easily if one is not careful
I agree with the other member, if an air brusher had touched up the decals, then he wasn’t a very competent one to leave such obvious overspray!

The rivets have no over spray, that would indicate they were not there when the over spray occured???

[Rob G.]

I think it's really sad that a top shelf helmet like this NS SS owned by one of the most prestine helmet collectors is questioned by someone who seems to be a SS helmet noob.

Don't get me wrong, I am for open discussion but in this case, this thread was not necessary IMO. A simple pm would have solved the airbrush scenario.

This thread will put a negative atmosphere on the sale of this helmet.

Just my thoughts.

Peter B.

I agree with this. Feel for you Nick.

[SSamir]

This whole thread is ridiculous.

I agree, Brian, I'm not sure if I have seen anything more absurd of a thread than this one. Don't take me wrong, i'm always up for a good discussion, but this is not exactly what I had in mind, but a cheap shot taken at the helmet which is total BS!

As I was saying, I wasn't referring to the supposed airbrush paint. I was referring to the overspray.



A ridiculous thread with still NO good justification for the overspray.

You received a couple, and if that's not convincing, not sure what to tell you. Personally, I feel this is either inexperienced collectors trying to score points here or just a cheap shot at trying to sabotage the sale and I can assure you, it won't work. An experienced collector knows what he's buying.

Regards
Samir

[Dan P]

This whole thread is ridiculous.

Certainly is Bryan.

[Steve Turner]

I have used airbrushes for years as well, everything from badger to iwata custom micron. The black dots are not from an airbrush in my opinion, it's not the type of overspray you would normally see. Could be the result of some other spraygun, maybe it was in a garage, who knows, or maybe not even paint. I don't see anything that looks like suspect airbrush work here. The rest of the helmet is out of my league but looks like an awesome example to me! -Steve

[Totenhead]

I have used airbrushes for years as well, everything from badger to iwata custom micron. The black dots are not from an airbrush in my opinion, it's not the type of overspray you would normally see. Could be the result of some other spraygun, maybe it was in a garage, who knows, or maybe not even paint. I don't see anything that looks like suspect airbrush work here. The rest of the helmet is out of my league but looks like an awesome example to me! -Steve

I agree

The black paint spots, if it is paint, they are too large to be from an airbrush

There seems to be multiple black marks on the helm

Its possible it was oversprayed with somethng black, and the decals were cleaned, is it possble the ink ran in the decals, if you look at the runes, they look like they have been wiped with a rag in one direction

If someone gave them a wipe with thinners or something, it wouldnt do them any good !

[Tobysauer]

Can anyone explain why the Swastika is nearer the right hand side of the shield (not centred) ? Surely this is not normal ?

[foamspoon]

Can anyone explain why the Swastika is nearer the right hand side of the shield (not centred) ? Surely this is not normal ?

And it continues... Anyone else feel like they are on some part of "Internet Candid Camera" or prank phone call on the radio... when some one will come out and say we got ya! As "fun" as this thread as been I think I am done with this thread.


This last post kind of sums it up!

[stahlhelm1976]

Threads like this are exactly why a lot of collectors don't post examples for all of us to learn from. Scared that they will be the victim of a thread like this one. Nick's helmet is a one look no-brainer original NS Champagne rune decal...one of the rarest and toughest SS DD variants to find.

I'd have room on my shelf for that one any day of the week...nice helmet Nick!

Steve

[Dan P]

I do feel like the helmet forum here is currently in danger of becoming the laughing stock of the helmet collecting community....unless it's already too late

[SSamir]

Threads like this are exactly why a lot of collectors don't post examples for all of us to learn from. Scared that they will be the victim of a thread like this one. Nick's helmet is a one look no-brainer original NS Champagne rune decal...one of the rarest and toughest SS DD variants to find.

Steve

Steve, my exact thoughts! I was told by other collectors, there are lots more supreme fine examples out there that are hidden and put away from situations like this one. Inexperienced eyes and people who like shooting down helmets for whatever sickening reasons. Its a damn shame.

Regards
Samir

[Dennis J]

Steve, my exact thoughts! I was told by other collectors, there are lots more supreme fine examples out there that are hidden and put away from situations like this one. Inexperienced eyes and people who like shooting down helmets for whatever sickening reasons. Its a damn shame.

Regards
Samir

You are 100% correct.I know many collectors that won't post on this forum at all because of BS like this. This helmet is 100% correct and rare.I have 2 ear cut out that I will not post here and don't have too as they are sold as soon as I want to sell them with no problem.

Dennis J

[DougB]

I have used airbrushes for years as well, everything from badger to iwata custom micron. The black dots are not from an airbrush in my opinion, it's not the type of overspray you would normally see. Could be the result of some other spraygun, maybe it was in a garage, who knows, or maybe not even paint. I don't see anything that looks like suspect airbrush work here. The rest of the helmet is out of my league but looks like an awesome example to me! -Steve

Steve, finally someone has spoken the truth.   I was waiting for someone to make this comment. 

Also careful observation shows that the alleged masked area is narrower at the top that bottom.   This looks more like something was leaning up against the helmet, thus the angle, when the overspray hit, and is more like from a spray can, like painting metal lawn furniture or a bike or something in a garage with cardboard in front of the helmet and some overspray drifted over to an unprotected area of the helmet.  

For this decal type a study should be undertaken as well as party decals before making unfounded accusations of mischief with the decals.   NS and Pocher party decals have a slightly offset swaz.   This decal has not run from spray bleed, it's ink displacement from a roller or flat press.   The closeup clearly shows this as well as how the the ink is laid out on the runes, which is from a press not spray.  

Nick should show closeups at 20 x of the swaz and decal to clearly show its not ink bleed.  But then he's probably had his fill of this thread.    

It almost seems to me that the person who started this thread may have an axe to grind with Nick as well.   I don't know this for sure but I hope not.   It seems strange to me a non helmet non SS decal collector makes a thread out of the blue with nothing but a theory. It just seems malicious to me.

Doug

[foamspoon]

Steve, finally someone has spoken the truth.   I was waiting for someone to make this comment. 

Also careful observation shows that the alleged masked area is narrower at the top that bottom.   This looks more like something was leaning up against the helmet, thus the angle, when the overspray hit, and is more like from a spray can, like painting metal lawn furniture or a bike or something in a garage with cardboard in front of the helmet and some overspray drifted over to an unprotected area of the helmet.  

For this decal type a study should be undertaken as well as party decals before making unfounded accusations of mischief with the decals.   NS and Pocher party decals have a slightly offset swaz.   This decal has not run from spray bleed, it's ink displacement from a roller or flat press.   The closeup clearly shows this as well as how the the ink is laid out on the runes, which is from a press not spray.  

Nick should show closeups at 20 x of the swaz and decal to clearly show its not ink bleed.  But then he's probably had his fill of this thread.    

It almost seems to me that the person who started this thread may have an axe to grind with Nick as well.   I don't know this for sure but I hope not.   It seems strange to me a non helmet non SS decal collector makes a thread out of the blue with nothing but a theory. It just seems malicious to me.

Doug

Thanks Doug. You summed up everything that needed to be said perfectly as usual!

[SSamir]

Also careful observation shows that the alleged masked area is narrower at the top that bottom.  

Doug

Doug, you beat me to that comment! Let's see what "Picasso" has to say about that!

Regards
Samir