German Eagle Order

[Runic]

Thank you sincerely, Pete!
You are right, now we are left with more of a dilemma - your idea of jeweler marks sounds good to me as a possible answer....

Regards,
R

[Peter J.]

Runic, one question: are those supposedly "early" fanned crosses with the unknown markings related only to the "900" marked pieces or are they found on the "900/21" marked crosses as well?

cheers
Peter

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Gentleman,
As promised, courtesy of Christopher, markings found on early DAOs. Some of you may be aware of these, some not. I am sure this image of marks on DAOs is much more helpful than only my opinions. At least I hope it adds to the discussion, especially for you serious researchers.
R

These markings, of which I speak in my book do not appear in the first DAO. They are markings that appear in the upper part of the ball that there is on the range of the Orders of third class manufactured by Godet. The meaning of these markings is a mystery. I think that these markings indicate the workshop, number of strings or craftsman / operator that manufactured these copies since there are several copies of each marking.

There is no documentary evidence that demonstrates the meaning of these markings

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Jesus - as far as your research is concerned - Dale hombre. Órale.

I've seen your answers a while ago ... that's why I had not thought so farPulgares hacia arriba

By the way "dale hombre, Orale" sounds more Mexican than Spanish ...sonreír

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The Godet design of -1939 features a fan for the ribbon-ring and various markings on the ribbon-ring or parts of the fan. The only exception from this “rule” is the claim in Angolia’s book about the 1.Stufe being marked with “900” and “1” for designation of class on the loop. I’ve personally never seen such a cross, perhaps some member could provide an image. The Star features a “sectioned” reverse+ a very distinct pin and are marked in the viewing side of the pin, also occasionally on the base of the hinge. The eagles also have a distinctly different design on both badge and Star.The single digits are believed to represent the actual class, as the pieces presented in public appear to follow this logic. With that said its difficult to explain some odd anomalies. Thanks to my dear friend Edward, I’m now aware of at least 6 different pieces not being able to logically account for. The first is a 3.Klasse with “900” and “21” on the ribbon ring and a “4” on the fan. The other is a 4.Klasse with “900” and “21” on the pin and a “10” on the base of the hinge! Jesus has pointed out the different width of the center enamel on some badges, but that’s a path I haven’t looked into, hence I can’t comment.

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This fourth class with swords, which was in my collection and then sold in this forum, clearly shows an "8" above the hinge

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This other mark indicates that it is a first class

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A fifth class with double marking: "900 21" on the ring and "5" on the fan

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"900 L/50" and "900 2"...."2" indicates that this Neck Order is part of a set of Neck Order + Order with Star

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A supposed original medal with a "29" mark on the ring (Haupmümzant wien)

The ribbon is incorrect since this ribbon is for the bronze medal

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A Godet prototype for the Edward Collection (two smaller points of the star)

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I do not think that the Order of the Eagle was manufactured, which we now consider authentic after 1945. It is true that the original dies existed and that they would be acquired by collectors or jewelery shops but build a decent Order of the Eagle ... an order from the Eagle that is credible is very laborious, needs expert labor, good quality of material, gold and enamel and it would not be profitable to manufacture a few copies as for example we know of the second class plate marked "935".

In my experience as a militaria collector I will have seen only 4 or 5 copies, counting the one I have in my collection .... Do you really think that making a copy with this quality is profitable if only 4 or 5 copies are made?

Apart from these considerations, the shape of the hinges, needle, catch and other details makes me think that this specimen was manufactured by Godet early, when he was not the only authorized manufacturer for the order of the German eagle, after 1939

[Peter J.]

"The single digits are believed to represent the actual class, as the pieces presented in public appear to follow this logic. With that said its difficult to explain some odd anomalies. Thanks to my dear friend Edward, I’m now aware of at least 6 different pieces not being able to logically account for. The first is a 3.Klasse with “900” and “21” on the ribbon ring and a “4” on the fan. The other is a 4.Klasse with “900” and “21” on the pin and a “10” on the base of the hinge! Jesus has pointed out the different width of the center enamel on some badges, but that’s a path I haven’t looked into, hence I can’t comment."

Jesus, in the light of what's been said here, what class would an "8" on a 2Stufe/4Klass represent?

cheers
Peter

[Runic]

Jesus,
Thanks for your comments on the markings I posted from Christopher.
Any mistakes I made in presenting them are mine, not Christopher’s. He shared the excellent graphic with me.

He has a theory about the marks that is similar to yours, Jesus. To paraphrase him, he states that the reason for the use of these marks is as yet unknown. His theory is that they are touch marks of the workman on department. They may have marked one award out of a batch produced. This theory is borne out of by scratch marks on other awards.

Is it my imagination, or does the Godet prototype for the Edward Collection you posted in #116 look a lot like the anomaly I posted in #98? I wish I had a photo of the reverse for the one I posted.

Anyway, really great information, and Excellent photos Jesus! You too, Peter. Great discussion!

Rj

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Jesus, in the light of what's been said here, what class would an "8" on a 2Stufe/4Klass represent?

Pete ... if I tell you the truth, I have no idea what this "8" mark means. It's the only time I've seen him ... he was the buyer of my second class badge with swords who realized ... I had not noticed this detail.

In my opinion, the "8" mark can be a mark that indicates a production serial number, a quality mark of the jeweler in charge of making that copy ... but as with other mysterious markings, there is no documentary evidence about it. that everything we say are assumptions and personal opinions.

I can only assure, because I had it in my collection that the badge is 100% original made by Godet (I still have the original case).

Who sold me that badge said that an American veteran in a battle against the Japanese army saw a shine between the rocks of a beach that made him realize that he had bet on them a Japanese officer who could shoot a shot and when he went to see the body of the Japanese found that the brightness was caused by this plaque that was attached to the chest so it was removed and brought it as a memory ... but this may be true or pure fantasy ... never what we will know