The Floch interview regarding the Pink/Birch smocks

[kammo man]

OK

Heres the simple Math ..........on the Pink fakes.

100 jackets at 10 a pop.
Sold for 350 a pop.
Thats $34,000.

Good profit.

In todays money converted is around $102,121 give or take.

MR F went and had the jackets made in the east.......
The money is the key factor in all of this.

You guys need to wake up to reality that greed is the true factor in all of this.

[Dennis S]

I guess but haveing them made for 10 bucks a pop back then I can only surmise is possible .

I did ask if if he had them made he said" I would need to set up a factory to do such a thing ". Of course using a factory already set up is also possible.

[kammo man]

Its not out of line in the early 1980s.

Follow the money..........

He gave 2 figures out.

So the profit margin is east to see......

Nice slide of hand on his part saying others were also buying them...like it was sale day at the costume house, that is a red flag.

[Dennis S]

He never expressed to me others were buying. I can say this English is not his first language and although he spits it out like a machinegun certain times during our conversation some his answers at times did not correspond to the question . Always easier to speak then understand the spoken word.

Like when I asked him if they had been industrial washed he stated " sure sure you can wash them if you like ".

Just saying

[NickG]

it was sale day at the costume house, that is a red flag.

What is so abnormal about that??? ("sale day at costume house")...Please!!!
Angels Costumiers London (and others) sell off their prop wares in huge batches to multiple buyers all the time....
So why on earth is that a red flag...a studio props department unloading old unused (war time left over) inventories....

The key is that these were from such a studio source (Minsk or Lodz) and that is confirmed now...Why would Floch make that story up?
(and of course too well constructed, HBT pocket liners etc... to be post war made movie props) in other words war time left-overs!

[Dennis S]

He never expressed to me others were buying. I can say this English is not his first language and although he spits it out like a machinegun certain times during our conversation some his answers at times did not correspond to the question . Always easier to speak then understand the spoken word.

Like when I asked him if they had been industrial washed he stated " sure sure you can wash them if you like".

Just saying


Sorry double post I tried editing a spelling mistake and somehow double posted

[Fritz]

So some still think these smocks are fakes from the 1980's? just because they differ from Reich produced ones?

Let that sink in..

Cheers

[Fritz]

Next year I am interviewing Kai Winkler.

You are a terrible person.

[NickG]

just because they differ from Reich produced ones?

Cheers

Differ slightly! Not differ totally (like Norwegian SS parkas do, one of a kind foreign war time production)

[nutmeg]

The deportations from Lodz getto started in june 44......and were ongoing for a few months.

Why would the german leave piles of finished smocks? The needed every garment for the continuetion of the war.

The Polish Movie studio in Lodz opened 1949.

Too much wishful thinking.....

According to Wikipeda it opened in late 1945. If you look at pictures of the Warsaw uprising there are stacks of SS camo smocks being looted by the partisans. All kinds of military equipment and other stuff has been left behind to be captured in war.

[nutmeg]

Its not out of line in the early 1980s.

Follow the money..........

He gave 2 figures out.

So the profit margin is east to see......

Nice slide of hand on his part saying others were also buying them...like it was sale day at the costume house, that is a red flag.

It was easy money , who wouldn't buy them for $10.00 each, even you would. I bought tons of stuff from Eaves and Brooks Van Horn costume shops in the 1970s . Once word got out other dealers and collectors swarmed in and bought as well. Unissued Civil War cartridgeboxes for $10.00 (originally 5 but they raised the price) that I sold for $30.00 to Flayerdman and he intitally sold them for $60.00 each. It's called business.

[Fritz]

Differ slightly! Not differ totally (like Norwegian SS parkas)

I would not say they differ "slightly". Said Parkas were at least made using proper prints and fabric, for instance.

I don't mean to stir the pot though. I said what I had to say and that was a long time ago.

Cheers

[NickG]

Smocks were definitely in abundance in Poland (Reich made, Lodz made) and far after smocks were officially replaced by M44 dot tunics,
which were also intended to be used (optionally) as over garments and smocks became the iconic garb of the resistance fighters in Poland.

[nutmeg]

One important word in here.

PROPS.

When I bought from costume shops in NYC they called everything props, even swords. If you are clutching to find red flags this ain't it.

[Fritz]

Smocks were definitely in abundance in Poland (Reich made, Lodz made) and far after smocks were officially replaced by M44 dot tunics,
which were also intended to be used (optionally) as over garments and smocks became the iconic garb of the resistance fighters in Poland.

Then why is it I wonder that not a single one of these smocks has ever come from such "resistance fighters" or the alike?

We have that mysterious warehouse full of identical smocks that are very much unlike undisputed pieces and that were "made in 43" and that were never issued.

It just doesn't add up. That is as far as I am concerned.

Cheers