What(?) happened at the SOS An $18K SS uniform stolen.

[Don D.]

Would this thread exist if the seller had been Gottlieb?

[Mr.Jerry D]

I am not saying this was not a "legal" sale, as it was. (One of my degrees is in business) I am saying this was not an "ethical" sale. (Sadly they don't give degrees in that).

We have an SS tunic group too that when Jason B asked me how much, I said "thirty-five hundred" instead of the "thirty five thousand" that I quickly corrected. He knew that it was a verbal mistake on my part.

I have not heard from Spencer, but here's a few pics for posterity.

[TWS]

I as well as many of my friends used to frequent the flea markets in Germany and buy stuff dirt cheap, knowing full well what the items were actually worth. I guess there are tons of theifs in this hobby.

That's just being smart about living in Europe. During my last tour in Germany, I bought up several pairs of really nice trousers, a bunch of field gear and even a couple very nice overcoats because even at the shows they were 1/2 to even only 1/3 of the price stateside. The "non-flashy" items were (and maybe still are) much cheaper in Europe. Items like tunics, medals, edged weapons etc. were pretty comparable to U.S. prices.

[Mr.Jerry D]

This is not about finding something that was priced under market value by the seller. We all like it when that happens.

This was priced at $18,000 by the dealer and MISTAKENLY sold for $1,800. There is a difference.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Open collar

SS open collar, my Boys that is rare and very desirable. Nibbled by a hungry mouse or not, very nice.

[djpool]

This is not about finding something that was priced under market value by the seller. We all like it when that happens.

This was priced at $18,000 by the dealer and MISTAKENLY sold for $1,800. There is a difference.

If that's the case how did the sellers representative and buyer come to the $1800 price. Jim

[John T]

I concur, flatwire cuff, open collar and that stony gray fabric, exceptionally rare, Thank you for showing.

[J. Wraith]

Shame it happened to a Spencer but how many times do people go to tables with no tags, no prices and a helper that knows nothing. They call and get a number and in many cases the seller comes back to the table. You have an inquiry on an 18,000.00 tunic and you don’t say “hold on I’m on the way”?. A burger flipper blew out a tunic at 10% of the ask and had no clue what the piece was worth. And he called the owner to boot, 18! And the guy counts out 18 100 dollar bills and off he go’s.

Buyer is a dick, but he owns it.

[phild]

I concur, flatwire cuff, open collar and that stony gray fabric, exceptionally rare, Thank you for showing.

What I find to be the “rarest” characteristic of this tunic is the combination of the open collar cut and the use of two lower patch pleated pockets rather than slash pockets. IMO this is a very non-regulation officer’s custom tunic. There are a few known photos of similar tunics being worn by SS officers and I’m not questioning the originality of this one, but saying this really an example of a wartime one off not pre-war “VT” officers tunic, should anyone be thinking that.

[djpool]

Shame it happened to a Spencer but how many times do people go to tables with no tags, no prices and a helper that knows nothing. They call and get a number and in many cases the seller comes back to the table. You have an inquiry on an 18,000.00 tunic and you don’t say “hold on I’m on the way”?. A burger flipper blew out a tunic at 10% of the ask and had no clue what the piece was worth. And he called the owner to boot, 18! And the guy counts out 18 100 dollar bills and off he go’s.

Buyer is a dick, but he owns it.

What if the buyer were someone new to the hobby and thought 1800 was expensive and bought it. Would the standards be the same. Or as someone mentioned would the discussion be the same if the seller were Craig Gottlieb. Jim

[J. Wraith]

What if the buyer were someone new to the hobby and thought 1800 was expensive and bought it. Would the standards be the same. Or as someone mentioned would the discussion be the same if the seller were Craig Gottlieb. Jim

It would be the same, the buyer would just be different and still be an owner and would likely return it and do the right thing. That’s the question, what’s the right thing, and returning it is the right thing. This is an aggressive seasoned buyer who knew what he was buying, made a story of a sales flip in the parking lot because he knew what he did. This guy is a complete dirtbag and I will remember his name here and others will as well. The guy robbed another dealer of thousands of dollars, no gun, no ski mask, but he is still a scumbag and took advantage.

It’s not about Gottlieb, but he has rump humped so many over the years that he would not get much sympathy, but the situation would not be different on the transaction.

[msk500]

This is not about finding something that was priced under market value by the seller. We all like it when that happens.

This was priced at $18,000 by the dealer and MISTAKENLY sold for $1,800. There is a difference.

Any guy with 40 years experience dealing in TR items simply knew the value of this item ! He blatantly took advantage of the helper knowing that the table owner was gone. Then to claim he sold it on for a $200 profit in the car park ! ! That is an insult to any persons intelligence, and tells us more about the buyer ! The sleeve was nibbled but not by a mouse ! Another rodent springs to mind, and well said Jerry D. and J WRAITH

[chrischa]

Any guy with 40 years experience dealing in TR items simply knew the value of this item ! He blatantly took advantage of the helper knowing that the table owner was gone. Then to claim he sold it on for a $200 profit in the car park ! ! That is an insult to any persons intelligence, and tells us more about the buyer ! The sleeve was nibbled but not by a mouse ! Another rodent springs to mind, and well said Jerry D. and J WRAITH

I agree with you and the the other guys voicing a similar sentiment.

I suppose best case scenario other dealers will learn a valuable lesson at someone else’s expense.

[Christian J]

I have not heard from Spencer, but here's a few pics for posterity.

Would have been a A-class tunic without the damage!

[DALE ELLIS]

I personally wouldn’t have done what the guy did and I even hate to say it but I don’t see much difference between this guy and a lot of “motel buy guys”. It may be a little different now that there’s the internet but before it was a lot of fun just to send the old lady in with a rare dagger with the story that her Daddy brought it home from the war and get their free appraisal and “Top prices paid”. This hobby has always suffered from a lack of morals. Sure there are some good guys but I sad to say they are few and far between.