What(?) happened at the SOS An $18K SS uniform stolen.

[Fritziii]

OMG! Spencer is a good friend of mine, I’m sick just reading this. Yea the table helper really messed up, but what a total POS on the buyers part for not taking the high road but instead stiffed a guy for basically 16k. Wrong just wrong!!

Fritz

[markus]

18K, is this the going rate for SS uniforms with rat hole on sleeve?

I have one for 50k with several rat holes, but attributed, famous division and untouched insignia.

But back to topic: Wow, what an unlucky situation with that sale....

Markus

[Fritziii]

I heard cuff was Langemarck.

It was, I saw the tunic right after Spencer got it , insignia was beautiful and all perfect likenya want to see

Fritz

[sutka]

Im sorry
Im with Tanker on the subject
Lot of the guys hire chip help just to watch the table when the boss is jogging around for great deals
it is very sad story but i dont think we can call this item stolen
if the help is doing transaction for $1800 he or her should call his boss on the cell made him aware
for me its still lot of money to be handle by clerk but that is not for me to decide

[kammo man]

I heard the call to the boss WAS made and he only said 18.

Show scuttlebutt.

[BlaineLeamon87]

Spencer is a good guy and imo nobody deserves to be shafted like that...Especially by someone who has been around for years like John Suprin "Panzer V Militaria". He flat out knew what he was doing and it is a shame snakes like that are still running around. I found the uniform in question, it was insanely rare even with damage, that being said when Suprin was asked about it the next day, he claimed to have sold it in the parking lot for a $200 profit. I can tell you now, Spencer handled himself very professional in this situation....for $16,000 being stolen from him that is.

Blaine

[J. Wraith]

Tough call... Can never let your guard down because this hobby can be really scummy, in the real world it would not be such a tough call and it would have come back. Amazing.

[25thlight]

It's too early to out this individual, lets give him a chance to do the right thing.
He was offered a full refund plus $3,000.00 but claimed he had "already sold it for $2,000.00"
This story doesn't mesh with the guy that seen him running it to his car in the parking lot and asked if he was interested in selling it,,,, he claimed he "had no intentions of selling it and it was a keeper".

To error is human, what we do with it separates us.

[PanzerFrank]

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Im sorry
Im with Tanker on the subject
Lot of the guys hire chip help just to watch the table when the boss is jogging around for great deals
it is very sad story but i dont think we can call this item stolen
if the help is doing transaction for $1800 he or her should call his boss on the cell made him aware
for me its still lot of money to be handle by clerk but that is not for me to decide

I know Spencer very well too. He's a good dealer and nice kid. I was at the scene of the crime, er...I mean, at the Show. I saw the uniform, and yes, it was super. No need for me to regurgitate the goings on of what transpired. I agree that if you are going to have helpers, they need to have their head in the game: meaning the militaria game, NOT Candy Crush Saga, or Web surfing, or watching porn. We all know there's nothing more annoying than asking prices or questions to table helpers that, like Sgt. Schultz, "Know Nothing!". Agreed also that large sales, say above $500, require the table helper(s) to CALL the dealer back to his or her tables.
My real purpose in commenting here is What Ever happened to fairess and MORALITY?? I also know
who the Buyer is in this situation. He said he sold said uniform for little more than his purchase price of $1800. Highly unlikely. The RIGHT thing would have been to return the uniform....PERIOD. This will remain a stain on the "buyer's??l" reputation. He is the type that pays an old widow $500 For an $8000 SS Helmet! Makes me sick, literally.

Regards- Frank

[Brian George]

Why should he return it. He bought it fair and square as far as I'm concerned. The seller should have known better. And if Owen is correct, and the helper called his boss, I have even less pity.

One of the first things I learned I learned in this hobby, "never give someone an education."

And what if the buyer purchased it thinking it was fake/humped up but thought there was $1800 worth of insignia on it?

[John T]

Sad situation for all involved and I empathize.

There needs to be excellent communication when you have table helpers/girlfriends watching your items.

The story that I heard was that the tunic had some damage and that the dealer purchased it from the vet's son for 700 dollars along with some other items. He saved it for the SOS and it was put out and the buyer asked how much and was told 1800 dollars by the table helper and bought it, but the price should have been 18 thousand dollars supposedly. Perhaps the table helper knew what the dealer had paid for the tunic lot and this played into his/her thinking 18 hundred and not 18 thousand, I do not know, but that was what I had thought.

The dealer realized that a mistake was made and the buyer was found and had said that he sold the tunic.

Good luck to all.

[25thlight]

Sorry but the last thing this hobby needs are excuses for immorality

[soonerhayden]

Everyone I talked to at the show told me about this... ouch... but like everyone said and i said that If you are to have help at your table please do hire someone with knowledge on these sorts of items


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[25thlight]

Spencer was the second owner and paid 10,000 for the tunic, I offered 14,000 when it was first discovered.
I'm sure pictures will be posted at some point.

[J. Wraith]

Sad situation for all involved and I empathize.

There needs to be excellent communication when you have table helpers/girlfriends watching your items.

The story that I heard was that the tunic had some damage and that the dealer purchased it from the vet's son for 700 dollars along with some other items. He saved it for the SOS and it was put out and the buyer asked how much and was told 1800 dollars by the table helper and bought it, but the price should have been 18 thousand dollars supposedly. Perhaps the table helper knew what the dealer had paid for the tunic lot and this played into his/her thinking 18 hundred and not 18 thousand, I do not know, but that was what I had thought.

The dealer realized that a mistake was made and the buyer was found and had said that he sold the tunic.

Good luck to all.

The vets son is paid 700.00 for it and it’s put out at a 17000.00 markup and gets stolen by another dealer and it’s still an 1100.00 profit. ???

Is that accurate? It’s hard to make a moral case against the buyer if that’s the story.