Heinz Macher and Fritz Witt grouping.

[markus]

For me many times the real 'winners' are the collectors who do not
enter the whole hi-end craze. Collecting only plain-ol' common, but
original (!) stuff!

[Spanish Freiwillige]

For me many times the real 'winners' are the collectors who do not
enter the whole hi-end craze. Collecting only plain-ol' common, but
original (!) stuff!

I´ll go with that......

for me Hi end collectibles are very desirable, but could I live with the is or is in not......regardles of opinions and certificates?

I would say : NO!!!

The idea that all of the sudden 10 years from now the story pops out its all put together or high end facke..and fooled a lot of experts.....

no thanks.........

[PanzerJager1944]

The idea that all of the sudden 10 years from now the story pops out its all put together or high end facke..and fooled a lot of experts.....

This scenario is exactly what happened with one of the "premier" high end vintage baseball collections. Do some searching on the Halper collection, it once was touted as one of the best collections in private hands, was in major publications. The collection supposedly had one of kind who's who of baseball history with a focus on named, game worn jerseys. When it went to auction it sold for huge amounts. Since then it has been exposed that the pieces aren't what they were claimed to be and outright fakes.

[rob NL]

No, it will not get lost and buried. Kai has no Friends.

He probably has about as many friends as Jerry Sandusky has right now.......oh whoops, my bad....Jerry has lots of new Friends !! His new Friends may be a little old for his taste, but he will get used to it.

I just commend Rob for exposing the whole Scam on a Public Forum. Takes Balls. Usually after the Collector gets his Money back it part of the unspoken Deal he keep quiet, Rob does not care. Refreshing!

Thanks Dr.

[markus]

Did Kai show you the letter or whatever it was?

Did it specifically mention each and every item or
only something generic like:

"I herewith confirm that all medals, award documents,
uniforms, etc. come from the estate of my father Fritz
Witt (...)"

Do you think it is possible the son did not know what he
signed and might be wrongfully accused?

The reason I ask is because in the case of the Michael
Wittmann awards (which are real replacement awards
sent to the widow after her husband's death) the old
woman bearly being able to sign, signed a very detailed
letter of authenticity you just know she could not have
written by herself....

Rob,

Sorry that I insist, but how does Kai present the information
that the material comes from the son?

Is it verbal or did he present you with a written and signed
statement?

Markus

[rob NL]

Now, it seems that I should explain my telephone call to Peter Witt.
I called him, and from his reply I could make out he already knew somebody was digging into the Witt stuff. he asked me if he also had to go into hiding.
He did not wanted to say wich items were in the grouping to me, because he said that this was a private affair, sounded like Winkler talk.
He also said that he knew of much more(?) items from Fritz, and he also knew that they were original, but he did not know where they had been all of this time
I think if I would have confronted him with the fact that he gave his blessing to fake items, he would have changed his mind, but in this case I was not going to argue with an old man, so I told him to have a good evening and I ended the call.

[rob NL]

Rob,

Sorry that I insist, but how does Kai present the information
that the material comes from the son?

Is it verbal or did he present you with a written and signed
statement?

Markus

Markus, I am somewhat confused, did he not write to you this also??

[markus]

Markus, I am somewhat confused, did he not write to you this also??

Rob, yes, Kai wrote that to me, but I never saw an actual certificate
or any statement signed by Peter Witt. (I sent you a copy of what Kai
had written me).

If you ask me today, Peter Witt signed nothing, it was just loose talk
from Kai.

When you bought your items did you not ask for a copy of the statement
from the son or anything? All based on verbal or written info from Kai or
any hard proof?

Cheers,
Markus

[rob NL]

Rob, yes, Kai wrote that to me, but I never saw an actual certificate
or any statement signed by Peter Witt. (I sent you a copy of what Kai
had written me).

If you ask me today, Peter Witt signed nothing, it was just loose talk
from Kai.

When you bought your items did you not ask for a copy of the statement
from the son or anything? All based on verbal or written info from Kai or
any hard proof?

Cheers,
Markus

No, he went over there, and Witt signed for all of the items. He was there all night. So each item was signed by him, that's what he said.
Now, I understand that you would like to protect the son of Fritz Witt, but to me he is also in on the whole story.
If he would have made the statements himself, he would have had them there when he sold the items to me.
He went over there and spent an entire evening getting the items signed.

That happened when we were still negotiating for other items, and I had to go over there anyway to pick things up. In the meantime I found out the items were not his, so the story ended pretty fast...

My phonecall made it VERY clear to me he is in on the deal.

[rob NL]

Peter Witt insists even today (a couple of hours ago) that he did not sell any uniforms to Winkler.

Wow, he startes to change his mind. Winkler is out in the open guys....

[rob NL]

Btw, stay clear of this one also...

[rob NL]

another cap destroyed....

[Robert H]

What goes around comes around, a question of time.
Many people are hungry for money, doesn't matter if the pockets are alreday full as some are addicted.

[rob NL]

oh, forgot.
Hj visor upgraded to SS.
Again irritated took the skull of, and there where 2 holes underneath...

[Ludwig]

What a pathetic ****!...