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    Hmmm...
    "M.Dv 374/1 regelt die Markierung "N" für Nordsee und "O" für Ostsee. " Quelle Knirim Band I, Seite 186 unten "O" ist selten und wurde später nicht mehr markiert.
    Navy service regulation 374/1 decide that marking N stands for Nordsee, and O for Ostsee.
    Knirim´s book on german clocks. Page 186, O is rare and was later no longer used.
    These markings are well known on K98 rifles and 98 bayonets. Where the O is a plain large O, the N on bayonets often look like an scriptual N.
    But on leather items the N and O is not used. Only the navy eagle.

    As I said, hmmm... I like to see a dating on that 374/1. But M.dv does not sound like an imperial regulation.

    Update. It was used 1936-38. But for weapons and equipment with the troops. I am not sure what equipment means. Something that could be carried or any military item?
    https://www.deutsche-digitale-biblio...7FVIBKGEIL25NV
    No scans available. Pity.
    There are 2 versions. One from 1936 and with extra deckblätter (additions) until 1938. A new version came in 1937, and had deckblätter untill at least 1940.

    According to this, we should be looking for 374/10
    http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=44532
    Last edited by Mikedenmark; 01-15-2016, 06:06 PM.

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      Dear Michael,
      I think you have missunderstod the word Beobachtungsuhr.
      The were used for navigation. In English they are called Deck watch. In German Beobachtungsuhr or short B-Uhr. Used by the navy and the airforce.
      As the big chronometer could not be moved the deck watch was used to"shoot" the sun and to fetch correct time from land.
      Deck watches was also used instead of bigger chronometers on smaller ships like uboats.
      Artillery used stop watches or chronograph.

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        Your theory about N meaning Nachrichtendienst is interesting but you have not convinced me yet.
        This discussion about N and O has been going on for a long time. I think somewere I saw some documents refering to 08 pistols (lugers) were it was said to stand for Nord- and Ostsee. To me that is the most logical explanation although I think there should be more items marked O.
        I really like the Knirim book. Excellent photographs. But it is more a mixed up collection of photos as it is a straight forwar book of facts.
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          The Nordsee and Ostsee navy stations did mark weapons like that. Undoubtedly, and it did show where the weapons belonged.
          Same goes for lugers.
          But if that was also applied to other equipment Items, I don´t know.

          It is a confusing theme. here are the general regulation on markings, then there are regulations on how to mark specific equipment, if at all. Add to that at least 2 major changes in the organisation of the Kriegsmarine between 1934 and 1945.
          I think it will be a help to divide the explanations into different time periods. Otherwise it gets unneccessarily complicated.

          You are right, Art. officers used stop watches. My mistake.

          I am sorry to hear the Knipin book is like that.
          I had hoped it would have more background material. But 25 years ago, that was where those interested in Lugers were. Compiling info on the pistols in the collections. The books on lugers available today contains much more backgrund information than photo´s of the guns.
          I can hope we will go there, for binoculars, and for clocks and watches.

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            Your theory about N meaning Nachrichtendienst is interesting but you have not convinced me yet.
            This discussion over N and O has been going on for a long time. I think somewere I saw some documents refering to 08 pistols (lugers) were it was said to stand for Nord- and Ostsee. To me that is the most logical explanation although I think there should be more items marked O.
            I really like the Knirim book. Excellent photographs. But it is more a mixed up collection of photos as it is a straight forwar book of facts.
            Attached Files

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              One 7x50 has been added..

              8x60 Uboot (kommandantenglas) 25 found

              426503 Ebay nov. 2014
              426520 Austria
              426526 MD
              426531 Ebay feb 2013
              426553
              426559 Seeger grey book, page 384
              426560
              426579
              426586
              426590 "added after the original posting" ebay sale january 2013
              426594
              426616 Confirmed by MD, so probably right.
              426628

              426630
              426655 Last 3 digits uncertain. Might be disregarded.
              426658

              426668
              426669
              426672 Seeger´s new book 2015
              426678
              426690 Ebay.com may 2014.
              426708 MD
              426713 Seen in Australia.
              426714
              426718

              456942 No photo of this serial number has been seen. It was reported only. May be a misreading of 426642. Or, now we have seen several 7x50 below 457xxx, in fact a 7x50.

              7x50 Uboat, 21 found

              456864
              456879

              456887
              456889
              456902
              456917
              456942 See the note above, at the end of the 8x60 list.
              456996
              457001
              457002
              457086
              457114 MD
              457128
              457189 Seeger´s new book 2015
              457193 Seeger´s new book 2015
              457239
              457241
              457242 MD
              457262
              457263
              457280
              (NEW)
              457281

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                cxn 7*50 just sold on the sale room for £700+ fees.
                Sounds cheap to me?
                I will post a link when auction results are posted.
                I think it is a serial no. already on the list.

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                  8x60 cxn u-boat binocular serial 426550

                  Looks in a bit of state;

                  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WW2-1943-4...EAAOSwZ1BXe9bd

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                    One 8x60 has been added.. thank you.

                    8x60 Uboot (kommandantenglas) 26 found

                    426503 Ebay nov. 2014
                    426520 Austria
                    426526 MD
                    426531 Ebay feb 2013
                    426550 (New)
                    426553
                    426559 Seeger grey book, page 384
                    426560
                    426579
                    426586
                    426590 "added after the original posting" ebay sale january 2013
                    426594
                    426616 Confirmed by MD, so probably right.
                    426628

                    426630
                    426655 Last 3 digits uncertain. Might be disregarded.
                    426658

                    426668
                    426669
                    426672 Seeger´s new book 2015
                    426678
                    426690 Ebay.com may 2014.
                    426708 MD
                    426713 Seen in Australia.
                    426714
                    426718

                    456942 No photo of this serial number has been seen. It was reported only. May be a misreading of 426642. Or, now we have seen several 7x50 below 457xxx, in fact a 7x50.

                    7x50 Uboat, 21 found

                    456864
                    456879

                    456887
                    456889
                    456902
                    456917
                    456942 See the note above, at the end of the 8x60 list.
                    456996
                    457001
                    457002
                    457086
                    457114 MD
                    457128
                    457189 Seeger´s new book 2015
                    457193 Seeger´s new book 2015
                    457239
                    457241
                    457242 MD
                    457262
                    457263
                    457280

                    457281

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                      One 7x50 has been added.. thank you.

                      8x60 Uboot (kommandantenglas) 26 found

                      426503 Ebay nov. 2014
                      426520 Austria
                      426526 MD
                      426531 Ebay feb 2013
                      426550
                      426553
                      426559 Seeger grey book, page 384
                      426560
                      426579
                      426586
                      426590 "added after the original posting" ebay sale january 2013
                      426594
                      426616 Confirmed by MD, so probably right.
                      426628

                      426630
                      426655 Last 3 digits uncertain. Might be disregarded.
                      426658

                      426668
                      426669
                      426672 Seeger´s new book 2015
                      426678
                      426690 Ebay.com may 2014.
                      426708 MD
                      426713 Seen in Australia.
                      426714
                      426718

                      456942 No photo of this serial number has been seen. It was reported only. May be a misreading of 426642. Or, now we have seen several 7x50 below 457xxx, in fact a 7x50.

                      7x50 Uboat, 22 found

                      456864
                      456879

                      456887
                      456889
                      456902
                      456917
                      456942 See the note above, at the end of the 8x60 list.
                      456996
                      457001
                      457002
                      457086
                      457114 MD
                      457128
                      457189 Seeger´s new book 2015
                      457193 Seeger´s new book 2015
                      457236 (NEW)
                      457239
                      457241
                      457242 MD
                      457262
                      457263
                      457280

                      457281

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                        7x50 cxn

                        Hello all, what an incredible site. I knew hardly anything about my grandfathers binoculars. What i do know. My grand dad better known as Captain Joe! I was told that he had captured a U boat, a member of his crew removed the binoculars from the bridge of the U boat and presented him a trophy as a personal victory over the third reich. I really hope that the documentation I have can prove the province and increase the value as I'm extremely motivated to put up for auction or sell for the right price.I would appreciate any help, best way to sell, fair price. Does anyone want to purchase? I have a article I will include, not sure which paper, under picture of my grandfather it says Capt. Joseph Dalkowski of Jersey City who transported close to 300,000 German prisoners during war is congratulated by Col. Harry W, Mass, Camp Shanks Commander. Tag line Last Nazi POWs Leave In Relative Opulence. Healthier and have more money than when they arrived on american soil. Should I also scan and include for instance my grandfather ID card Captain of Port dated Sep 11 1944? US Merchant Marine document or picture ID 4i29/58? I also have his Continuous certificate of Discharge, some sort of log book with name of vessel, official # and description of voyage. Will these items help with province ? I have a lot more.
                        7X50
                        457035
                        I can't figure out how to upload pictures!

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                          left click on your profile name at upper right corner, then look at lower right side, choose: albums. Upload photo´s there.
                          Then copy-paste the address of a photo into your text. That will publish it on this site.
                          A photo of the serial number would be nice.

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                            Originally posted by Captain Joe View Post
                            Hello all, what an incredible site. I knew hardly anything about my grandfathers binoculars. What i do know. My grand dad better known as Captain Joe! I was told that he had captured a U boat, a member of his crew removed the binoculars from the bridge of the U boat and presented him a trophy as a personal victory over the third reich. I really hope that the documentation I have can prove the province and increase the value as I'm extremely motivated to put up for auction or sell for the right price.I would appreciate any help, best way to sell, fair price. Does anyone want to purchase? I have a article I will include, not sure which paper, under picture of my grandfather it says Capt. Joseph Dalkowski of Jersey City who transported close to 300,000 German prisoners during war is congratulated by Col. Harry W, Mass, Camp Shanks Commander. Tag line Last Nazi POWs Leave In Relative Opulence. Healthier and have more money than when they arrived on american soil. Should I also scan and include for instance my grandfather ID card Captain of Port dated Sep 11 1944? US Merchant Marine document or picture ID 4i29/58? I also have his Continuous certificate of Discharge, some sort of log book with name of vessel, official # and description of voyage. Will these items help with province ? I have a lot more.
                            7X50
                            457035
                            I can't figure out how to upload pictures!


                            I attach the scans that follow on behalf of Captain Joe:
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