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What I don't understand is why everyone beleaves the story about Egypt with no proof whatsoever? But anything that seems like reasonable evidence ie. Vets story dome stamps photo evidence etc is so easily shot down? Like I said I have 20 of these and always liked them(and no there not for sale) !
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I kind of agree with your statements Kevin, I have no dog in the fight or hard opinion ,but the Egypt story is lame and I heard it 20 years ago and never believed it.
I am a proponent with the theory that you must prove something original not fake.
That said, no one so far can prove the original Egyptian contract or original post war rebuild and the helmets are obviously not fake.
The problem with these helmets will be ........Even if God came down and gave his blessing that they are pre May '45 helmets they will always have a stigma with them......... Also if proven Original, they will never fetch big bucks.
Probably the price of a clean complete ND m42.
I think if this horde came out now without the Egyptian theory there would be a lot less resistance. The resistance now comes from the story told by the helmet gurus of the 80's that perpetuated told this theory to whom ever would listen . Like if they had the inside info. All it was ....and it was hearsay.
It's kind of the same thing as when Wartime Proaganda becomes taught as History .Comment
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Prague resistance fighters. They seem to have attached some "scrim" camoflage-like materials on top of their helmets (in national colors?,
the Poles did the same during the Warsaw1944 uprising but around the circumference of their stahlhelms in white/red tape)
Sharp edge M42's perhaps in light colors?Comment
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All types
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I have M35s M40s and M42s
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_______________________________Originally posted by kevinpre45 View Post
Some with dome stamps too?
Btw has this thread gotten any traction elsewhere I'm wondering?
Like: warrelics.eu?
or:
helmetwalhalla.se? (supposedly the site for stahlhelm collectors...)
Just wondering!Comment
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Will look!
Will have to find time to take a better look at!
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If roughly 3000 helmets were found and only a portion are M42's, (assuming the others are M35/M40 reworks and therefor did not get such a stamp).
So only new ones got these dome treatments... and realising that only 25% of these (M42) helmets out the production batch would have had such an inspector stamp...(as they were spot checked), that was the norm right? So small quantities like 1 in 4 or less out of a production lot were usually stamped only...
Well this is probably why most collectors had never seen such a stamp in these tan colored helmets, which to me is undisputable SOLID proof that they are
100% war time production!
These were spot checked...so very few will be found with a dome stamp like that! See what you can find Kevin!
This thread is revealing some good stuff!
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Originally posted by Dennis S View Post
Hello Dennis,
I can see what you are saying. However, how many theories or what we once believed have been turned around, investigated and rethought out in history. It starts with the earth not being flat and builds from there right up to this day and beyond.
The words of President Kennedy are relevant here;
"The great enemy of truth is very often not the lie - deliberate - contrived and dishonest - but the myth - persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."
I started this thread not hard and fast one way or the other. I have to say, all I have seen from those who say post war (so far) is a "myth - persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." While the possible evidence of a war time connection before May 1945 continues to grow stronger by the day,
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Here's the other dome stamp from an earlier post...also a mid war M42 shell...
Not much to compare with unfortunately, hopefully more examples will surface!Comment
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Actually Kevin, if you look at the poll as a sample of collector opinions, only a minority responded that they believe the Egypt theory. Roughly 50% leave room for the possibility that these might be war time. Another 21% are true believers. Add the 8% or so who think these are Czech civil and fully 80% DO NOT buy the Egypt theory.Originally posted by kevinpre45 View Post
I am in the "open minded" category. I don't buy the Egypt theory. At the same time, I also have a hard time buying that the lead proponent of the war time theory in this thread just happens to know an anonymous contact in Germany who just happens to have a father-in-law who just happens to have served in the Waffen-SS who just happens to have been issued one of these helmets. Not saying Nick was making it up. Just saying I have serious doubts about the accuracy and authenticity of the anonymous story as told out of Germany. It was offered as evidence as a "smoking gun." Statistically though, what are the odds of that? 10 million to 1 maybe?
And anonymous? Come on. 
I personally just have a hard time accepting a far-fetched anonymous story as "reasonable evidence."
The dome stamps are intriguing. I don't know enough about the process, but I do remain open minded and eager to learn more!Comment
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I stand corrected!
Hello
I should have said in the past everyone beleaved the cock-a-mamy Egypt story. As far as the SS veterans story I would want to remain hidden myself in light of the world views on being SS. Off subject I had set up a Vietnam/Cold war display for the VFW/DAV. (Im a member of both) and some ya-hoo said my Saw(M-249) pouches were incorrect "them wernt issued till 1992 Bubba" . Anyway I was issued them in 1988! Point is everything in a textbook or on the history channel isn't always correct! Thanks for your openmind!
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I look at it this way...incident until,proven guilty...
German WW2 until proven otherwise...that's my take on these.
Definitely not post war until proven German...which some use as a view point but unable to articulate why that is...
Why to they exist otherwise? And in this quantity? Why 100% German parts? why found in the Prague area? Why do these exist with dome stamps in some?
And why not German?
Lots of questions but there in NO other explanation...
Plus the vets story, there was a need for these...no need in Egypt, no need for civil services in that quantity...
To me it all adds up and I believe the Czech collectors who have already believed in these all a long should also be taken in account. They should know,
not some dealer in the Mid West who was procuring these at such a low price (big volume released) that these had to be post war...
the story, the volume and the price made these unbelievable....to good to be true. That's what tainted them ...nothing else...
certainly not the construction, the parts or even the DunkelGelb paint...
If these had not been tainted with an un-researched "explanation" , collectors would have embraced these from the get go I feel...
just like the DAK cap roof insulation hordes etc..minty and original...Comment
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BigSchuss ,I'm sure Nick is not making this up , but relayiing information being given to him. He is not sitting on a horde of them . Nick is a very enthusiastic collector who loves to study photos of uniformaligy . He is a real decent guy with his own brand of collecting . If it wasn't for Nick we wouldn't even be to talking about this subject to this extent.Comment
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