Looks like it was a possible unissued one from the horde and the seller believingCzech/ Egyptian story attempted to disguise it.
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do all these have the same maker ?
I don't think so. So not delivered blank without paint from the factory
This means warpaint was stripped from these shells , textured warpaint and replaced with flat tan. Doesn't make much sense to me.
Why not just overpaint them tan.
Even the Norwegians opted for this , as did the Belgians.
Quicker , less resources required.
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Good point, but why wouldn't both the Czechs or the Germans also.Originally posted by Deathshead View Post
Very confusing , I think we are going in circles a bit.
Are some of them over paints or are all stripped and painted?Comment
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I think there was a workshop around to "restore" the used-damaged helmets and they simply delivered a serie of renewed and repainted helmets in a yellow late war tan colour , on request ?
As they did for the green ones also ! Completely repainted or simply restored
over the first paint , regarding the condition of the helmet .
That's the logical explanation of the mixture regarding the shells , but not the liners for example ?
M35 M40 M42 shells refurbished with late war dated brand new M40 liners ?
The Norwegians helmets which came out in the 80's were all or most of them refurbished with new paint and tinted liners !
Not repainted over the original german paint ...like the Austrian Gendarmerie or the CS border troops for example ?
I never heard of belgian repainted helmets in quantity ? for who ?
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Refurbishment.
hello all!
What all country completely reworked helmets?
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Completely stripping and reworking, probably none if post war done...Originally posted by kevinpre45 View Post
(not at that scale at last!)
My take:
Done by forced labor (SS Industry connection) in the Protectorate refurbishing these, so cost would not be an issue !
and it explains why they ALL have minty (non recycled) virgin 1943 liner pins and liners. War time reassembled for
Sudfront needs and stored with Sahariana kit (for the Polizei Div), many unissued like the uniforms, war time left-overs,
It can't be proven (yet) but to me a very strong theory still, which nobody has been able to debunk...(not been proven to be farfetched!)
On the contrary!
New looking (refurbished) tan helmets to be issued with new Sahariana kit for occupation duty in Greece makes sense. Look at the parade fotos.
Soldiers on occupation duty had to look spiffy. The look of an undefeatable army with first rate resources. New looking smart kit!
Mike, nice helmet in post 405. Thanks for your contribution!Good stuff!
To me (based on the liner condition and shell wear) it does appear to have been used! (certainly not by the Egyptians!
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I still don't see too much connections, most era pics show bright tan helmets, probably repainted like all other helmets and there's a lot of wishful thinking .., besides that the Czechs worked a lot with reworked German items, like flight caps, some of them transformed to tank helmets etc, they even copied the luft flight jackets and pants after war, still sold as era stuff to the believer.
Same with the Russians ..
I strongly believe that these helmets are postwar refurbished helmets for a purpose that didn't take place, whatever that was.
Grey area stuff, believe what you want to believe.
As long as there is no more than random pics with no connection and a vet story telling that he got a tan helmet during war and had to give it back, there's not much to hold on IMO.
As long as there's no evidence, they are just what they are and there isn't much telling that they're something different.
In short, I haven't read the word "bingo" sofar.
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Hi Nick,
Yes, you reminded me of a point I was going to make when posting that helmet. I kind of wandered a bit when I started typing.
If it looks like a legitimately used helmet...and it does have a 1943 liner in it, maybe it was a bring back from Italy or somewhere else. I would be surprised if someone had switched out a mint 1943 liner for a used 1943 liner. That just seems too methodical or lucky.
The liner in that helmet looks used and not artifically aged but the blue gray coloring towards the crown was not something I was used to seeing.
It looked like staining with soft edges, so maybe it was hair oil or something organic.
I'm waiting for the day when we can all afford home DNA testing kits so we can see all the people who puts these helmets on their heads over the years...
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True Jos,Originally posted by Jos L C View Post
However, equally nothing has emerged to show
- post war
- Egyptian
- Other Nation after WW2
- Epoxy paint.
In fact nothing what so ever "post war" at all. The post war claim are at this stage, a dead duck on the water with not even a vague image or a pencil sketch to back them up in the slightest,
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Hello to all, I m creator of this thread, because I can not listen and see then this helmets are called post war...I have and had many of them and will post them to this thread for compare during some time.....Here in Czech Republic everyone older helmet collector know then this helmets are not post war and then this theory about egypt and so on become to spread after 1990 from some collector which wanted to buy this helmet, but someone cheat him and he made this theory to devalue this helmets and now a lot of people belive in this......Anyway in this forum is very much serious proofs for war made, for example one helmet in this colour with stamp...another helmet I add now...I had hundreds of this helmets, but this is my only one with stamp only with this yellow colour...what another proof people need then this one ?Comment
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Is that a dome stamp on top of the overpaint in that helmet?
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