HG Panzer Sidecap

[90th Light]

I have got two black Panzer caps cut in the LW style. One came from Africa and was taken out of a German rucksack. Interestingly enough it was originally issued to the LW and has a distinctive feature to it which clearly shows this and is also the reason why it was taken to Africa at the time by the WH Panzerman because he desired that feature but was wearing a billed M40 when taken prisoner and this one was in his r-sack.

The other one was from an equally interesting source but there is no LW connection so it could even be a modified police, SS or political example. Found many, many moons ago when the internet was only a twinkle in its creator's eye.

Good work posting those pictures Ben and yes you do see them some times in photos being worn by the WH Panzerwaffe but such photos are very rare.

I have to ask Ben but you are certain that your one had an LW eagle on it ?

Chris

[BenVK]

I have to ask Ben but you are certain that your one had an LW eagle on it ?

I was fairly certain at the time Chris but now I'm not so sure. Might take the eagle off to have another look.

Chris, can you clear your message box? I tried to send you a PM but no go.

[BenVK]

As always, something interesting is found when you're researching something else entirely.

What's this cap all about?

[BenVK]

That's a Posen Heer depot stamp is it not?

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=288911

[billbert]

While not following percieved wehrmacht or collector guidelines looks like an original blue tropical luft overseas posen marked dated and size stamped...Billbert

[Bond]

While not following percieved wehrmacht or collector guidelines looks like an original blue tropical luft overseas posen marked dated and size stamped...Billbert

I have also posted this on the thread about this blue/grey luft trop cap.

There is an example on p190 of Kurtz's Afrikakorps book, which is said to be stamped P41. Looks the same as this cap.

Jerry

[BenVK]

I'm bringing this one back to the top because whilst I was taking a break from this forum earlier this year, two threads relating to this subject were posted. One was huge and it took me the best part of a day to read:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ors+guild+wrap

The second went by much unoticed but W. Saris posted some interesting information regarding the connection between the RAD-Bekleidungsamt and Heeres-Bekleidungsamt.
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=547822

I ask the question again about the blue trop sidecap. Is that not a Heeres depot stamp?

My black cap, which I still have, is not the reason why I'm interested in this subject to be honest. The question has taken on a much bigger importance that I had no idea of at the time I first posted it here.

[Leroy]

One was huge and it took me the best part of a day to read....

Ben, you are fortunate God did not strike you dead for daring to read that thread.

[BenVK]

May I be damned in hell for uttering it's very name!

Seriously though, what a shame that we can't all work together on the subject of depot stamps for the benefit of the whole community.

Really, is it such a big deal?

[Leroy]

Really, is it such a big deal?

For some, depot stamps are a hugely important factor in determining originality when different branches of the Wehrmacht are involved.

It would be a great thing to fully and completely understand the exact way, and exact reasons, by which clothing material passed through various depots and received markings.

[BenVK]

For some, depot stamps are a hugely important factor in determining originality when different branches of the Wehrmacht are involved.

Of course it is!

What the participants of these lenghy yet futile threads don't realise is that there are numerous people out there conducting their own research on the subject which has not been made public yet.

[Leroy]

That is true! There is more research going on, quietly and privately, than people ever realize.

[BenVK]

One other point I'd like to make is (and no reflection on you Leroy at all) is that some of us don't give a damn about HG wraps or the hundreds of pages on this fourm talking about them.

Personaly, I'm only interested in whether the currect information being banded about on this forum and therefore being taken as fact is true or not and I don't personaly think it is.

[Leroy]

I think there is a lot of "information" accepted as fact here which is opinion disguised as "fact", with little or no verified supporting data beyond claims such as "no original has ever seen with these characteristics" (as if someone could actually possess such knowledge) or (my favorite) "serious collectors do not believe in these".

(Actually, Ben, I didn't give a real rat's ass about HG wraps, either, until after that mind-numbing thread was well underway. I did, however, care about the legitimacy of the "evaluation process" employed and I learned a lot about that - more than I wanted to know, really - from that thread. After 50 years of doing this, I came as close as I have ever come to walking away and, still today, my attitude and feelings about this "hobby" have been permanently altered. I am well on the way to becoming a recluse.)

[90th Light]

I came as close as I have ever come to walking away and, still today, my attitude and feelings about this "hobby" have been permanently altered. I am well on the way to becoming a recluse.)

Leroy,

many times you have brought a voice of reason to the table in more than one area on this forum.

Very few men are ever a prophet in their own time but it would be sad if not somewhat duller forum without your endeavours.

I am not alone in saying that many here, really appreciate the time, effort and experience that you put in,

Chris