HG Panzer Sidecap

[RamJet]

Yours, Ben.

I just made a sort of false IR scan of Your pic with Photoshop to highlight the stamp.

[BenVK]

Doh, you cheat! I thought it was too perfect a match.

If you notice though, it doesn't seem to have the top and bottom of the Roman numerals II joined together.

Like anyone cares anymore except for us!

[BenVK]

Stamps from the Bill Shea RAD cap and a Heer Pz sidecap. These are a perfect match. No evidence of a second box below though.

[RamJet]

Just to complete.

Helmut Weitze still has the Lago cap on his site. Here are two more shots, one of the label and one of a stamp inside:








Now I have to go and make some close-up pics of grommets on a M43 cap You don't like ...

Have a nice evening,
Steve

[BenVK]

RAD cap stamp over the stamp in my cap, now we are getting close.

[BenVK]

Now I have to go and make some close-up pics of grommets on a M43 cap You don't like ...

Excellent, thanks!. It wasn't the grommets themselves I was concerned about but the fact that the cap had any grommets at all. But, you know, nothing is impossible.

[Richard P]

Finaly, I could not find any information at all that positively identifies the "B.II" mark as a stamp for a "Heer only" clothing depot at all. Where did that idea come from? No one really seems to know for sure what it means anyway so how can anyone come to the conclusion that it means Heer only? I've just proved some RAD items are stamped with it.

That seems the basis of the whole doubt regarding the cap I posted. If it didn't have the "B.II" stamp, what would the comments be then? It conforms to the cut, construction of all the HG caps I've ever seen posted here and given the thumbs up. But it can't be because of that one stamp? I don't get that.

Ben,

I believe that some of that information was put forth by Wade Krawczyk in one of his little books on panzer uniforms. I don't recall him stating "Heer" only, but he said it was for "grade of wear". I have seen others repeat that, although I don't know where they got their info.

Richard

[BenVK]

Another B.II stamp in an Heer tunic and another Lago-Berlin Pz cap.

So what do we know so far. The stamp is probably a Berlin clothing depot stamp and garments for the Heer, Rad and possibly the Luftwaffe passed through their control.
Something else I've noticed as well, the stamp has been seen in a high percentage of Lago-Berlin black uniforms and caps. Out of that percentage of Lago marked black uniforms, again, a high percentage that have survived also have Russian stamps.

Guess where my cap came from?

[BenVK]

I don't recall him stating "Heer" only, but he said it was for "grade of wear". I have seen others repeat that, although I don't know where they got their info

I've read that also.

If you study the Imperial Germany era, there are a lot of similar markings to be found. That area has been more thoroughly researched and I think that's where the idea of "grading" came from. I'm looking into the possible connection with the TR but there is only so many hours in the day.

There is also a suttle difference in the stamps that I have noticed however, for example B.II 40 and B38 II. The later more likely to be a "grading" depot stamp.

[Glenn McInnes]

I would say the stamp is for a secondary Berlin depot. Like Willi,I have never seen it any Luftwaffe items.








Glenn

[BenVK]

It's also my understanding that "clothing depots" had the responsibility of the procurement of raw materials and supply of clothing, including the repair and re-issue of said clothing to all branches of the Wehrmacht within "its assigned territorial area".

[BenVK]

I would say the stamp is for a secondary Berlin depot. Like Willi,I have never seen it any Luftwaffe items.
Glenn

Maybe so Glenn, does that make it impossible because you've never seen it however?

[Glenn McInnes]

Maybe so Glenn, does that make it impossible?

Not impossible but very unlikely...To be honest I don't like the hat.






Glenn

[BenVK]

Why not? are you doubting it's original of just that it's HG?

[Glenn McInnes]

Why not? are you doubting it's original of just that it's HG?

Don't like the wear,bogus markings (all of them),lining looks odd...Just my opinion of course.






Glenn