HG Panzer Sidecap

[BenVK]

This is not original wear or lining material??

[BenVK]

If they can now fake the ageing of cloth this well and get the cut of the cap just right plus add all the almost invisible cloth bolt markings, I'm giving up this hobby tonight.

[Richard P]

Ben,

If your giving up...can I have your stuff?

I found a littlke more on the Roman numeral subject. Wade says that:

I. Suitable for parade dress wear, doesn't explain grades II. and III., and says grade IV. is for work only. Don't know if that realy helps any.

Richard

[Glenn McInnes]

If they can now fake the ageing of cloth this well and get the cut of the cap just right plus add all the almost invisible cloth bolt markings, I'm giving up this hobby tonight.

Actually you should look at hats with heavy wear/fading and so on with the up most scrutiny...Sometimes they go way overboard to try and make them look more believable.




Glenn

[BenVK]

And they went to all that trouble to sell for $300?

[Glenn McInnes]

And they went to all that trouble to sell for $300?

Who's they? Maybe they had trouble trying to sell it for more.





Glenn

[BenVK]

Sometimes they go way overboard

I was going to ask the same thing Glenn, who's they?

Listen, I don't want to argue with you. I've got my opinion about this cap and you've got yours plus there is a ton of information and detailed photos so people can make up their own minds.

[bnz. 42]

If they can now fake the ageing of cloth this well and get the cut of the cap just right plus add all the almost invisible cloth bolt markings, I'm giving up this hobby tonight.

If the magic of nanotechnology in the wrong hands, I'm giving up too.

[90th Light]

Don't like the wear,bogus markings (all of them),lining looks odd...Just my opinion of course.

Glenn

Why does the lining look odd ???

Wait I have got it, this one is not tea towel material its table cloth material.

We are starting to get a whole kitchen collection with these caps which some collectors do not seem to like.

The thing is that when one gets to read what those making the items in Germany at the time had to say, they often talk about the shortages of materials from esp. from late 42, 43 onwards and the need to improvise or use ersatz substitutes for what had always been traditionally avaliable.

This makes any consideration of any standardised liner aways open to the possibility of a variation.

Sure we all love to see what we know but the reality is that the Germans in the second half of WW2 could not always get their hands on some materials as often as they wanted to.

Caution works two ways, constant caution against reproductions is very prudent and I agree that extremely worn items should be subjected to just as much scrutiny as relatively unworn examples but in this game caution also needed about being able to see an original variation from the expected norm and making sure one does not miss a boat when it sails,

Chris

[Daniel.S]

Everytime i read posts like this i get scared.

I really wonder how many original caps ends up in thrashcans because someone here didnt "like it"

That goes to tunics too....

[BenVK]

There's nothing strange, unique or very interesting about the interior cloth. It's just a cotton/rayon mix woven into a cloth with an angled rib.

I just pulled out 4 caps from the cabinet at random. M43, TR visor, Imperial visor and a sidecap. They are all angled ribbed cloth, some are so tightly woven, it's hard to see weave and some are loosely woven and you see it clearly. Some have a lot of rayon or silk fibres to give the material a glossy look, some have less for a satin look. There is no such thing as a standard liner material.

This a massive topic just on it's own and I've barely scratched the surface.

[Beau Brummel.]

Who's they? Maybe they had trouble trying to sell it for more.

Glenn

And removed the eagle to sell seperately to recoup some of the loss? I'm not saying thats what happened but one does see a lot of suspect caps with the valuable Insignia removed.

Out of Interest what's all the staining to the lining?

[90th Light]

And removed the eagle to sell seperately to recoup some of the loss? I'm not saying thats what happened but one does see a lot of suspect caps with the valuable Insignia removed.

Out of Interest what's all the staining to the lining?

Also sometimes see ex-German POW caps with the eagle & swaz removed or sometimes just the swaz is cut off. Had a couple like that over the years

Plus these days, you can also get the odd person or two who removes the eagle off a perfectly original cap to sell on ebay or in Germany,

Chris

[Beau Brummel.]

Plus these days, you can also get the odd person or two who removes the eagle off a perfectly original cap to sell on ebay or in Germany,

Chris

You're joking right?

[BenVK]

You're joking right?

Afraid not!
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