Originally posted by Reinhard2
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Thank you.
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Joe,
When Reinhard mentions "Frozen Silver" he probably means "Frosted Silver" which was also applied to EK's which were silver plated. My Luft Honour Salver is also covered in "French Grey" coating which is similar.
I would like to see his evidence that the Bronze grades did not exist.
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Hi !
I also have the Dienstrangliste der politischen Leiter des Gaues Thüringen der NSDAP from 1937. In it , all honour (golden Party badge + Gau eagle) and sports badges (SA + DRL) are notified with little pictures.
Tge golden or silver sports badges are mentionned with a G or S beside the pictures. If there had been a silver and bronze Gau eagle, they would have mentionned it with an S or B beside the picture of the Gau eagle !
And I have been 8 years in Thüringen, where I never saw any bronze one, but several with or without cases and/or documents. I also got one in 1992 directly in a household with many documents from the Family (SS-FM memberbook, 5 Party member books, bronze party medal, some books etc., but the rest had been thrown away ! All these Gau eagles which I saw and held in my hands, were less or most covered with frosted silver finish.
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Why would there have been 2 types of needle system for the same eagle ? I am sure, that the Thuringian Gau eagle was produced by Wernstein, Jena because they found under the roof of a house which belonged to Wernstein a huge amount of badges (I bought a high grade sports badge and a sports badge from the Germans in Hungaria), but also the embossing die for the Gau eagle ! This one has been sold to the USA.
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Originally posted by Stan View Post
Stan, why would an 800 marked silver Gau Eagle need to be silver plated? When originally produced, an 80% silver badge would be quite nice looking. Why gild the lily? Or does he mean the so-called Rhodiumf plating which is hard to understand given the rarity of Rhomdium?
I would like to see the evidence that bronze Gau Eagles were authorized. We know they exist physically but questions remain as to why? One can understand the expansion of the award parameters of the silver to beyond the first 1000 Alte Garde of Thuringen. But why a bronze. Of course they exist but.....
Originally posted by Reinhard2 View Post
The early Thuringen Party Dienstrangeliste has been reprinted and many of us have copies. Unfortunately, it doesn't not go beyond the early presentation of eagle and we know presentations were made as late as August 1939, if not later.Comment
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Here are the pictures to go along with the post regarding the silver frosting.Originally posted by Reinhard2 View Post
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Reinhard,Originally posted by Reinhard2 View Post
I personally believe that both the silver and bronze versions were made by the same maker using the same die. They are IMO identical apart from the superior finishing of the silver version.
IMO the maker was G. Danner/ Muelhausen- Thueringen. The reason I believe this is because of the packets found with some bronze grade badges bearing this name as well as Danner using the same hardware on other badges which were stamped with his name. IMO this is fairly conclusive evidence.
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But why the different pin design on the bronze version (they are not really bronze are they?) Was there a difficulty in using the earlier silver pin design on these brass/bronze examples? Reinhard's two examples are late numbers and differ in pin placement and number orientation from earlier examples. I can see the bottom edge, but cannot see if there is an 800 there. Perhaps these later ones were made of a baser metal and plated, whereas the earlier version were higher grade silver. This would not be unusual. The DAF golden Ehrennadels started out 333 gold, but soon were cheapened in material.Comment
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Hi !
I forgot to mention that the 2 Gau eagles are also stamped with the silver content 0.800 in the middle of the left side underthe (TRE)UE from the back of the swastika.
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Well it pays to review your photos file every once in a while. Found this image of the reverse of another of the beautiful "frosted" versions like Reinhard's two. This one is numbered in the 14xx range. 1449 to be exact. And the .800 is just visible under the "EUE".
Has anyone totaled the number of recipients listed in the December 1937 Gau Thürigen Dienstalterliste of Silver Gau Adlers. It must be close to 1100 as the "recipient" of my #1061 is listed along with his GPB number. And we can document a Gau Eagle being awarded in August 1939, so a few hundred more silver eagles were produced and distributed.Comment
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How many more ???
https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...iPsN92JkUdqnEe
https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...XVhjir751qTVG4
https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...kzcw5QKzRqBURD
https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...WbNMCzQE65z4rJ
https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...HDYOdugTQ7nmyv
https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...XFvCJL6WhE6x98
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And what now ?Originally posted by Stan View Post
https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...ZTydZLkUtuYzGT
https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...lEuXvMPWqbqT7Q
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So it seems, that there were minimum 2 producers of them. One ought to be Wernstein, Jena because of the embossing dies which were found there (maybe that they lost their permission to produce them?) and the second Poellath, Schrobenhausen. Is the first or the second, frosted type in the case from Poellath ?
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Andreas,Originally posted by der-hase-fee View Post
The two boxes you have posted do not appear to be the same.
If you could post multiple shots of the same box then perhaps you could prove that Poellath was the maker but these two links prove absolutely nothing.
In any case, why would Gau Thueringen choose to have their Gau badges made in Bayern when they had their own makers like Danner?
StanLast edited by Stan; 10-10-2018, 02:39 AM.Comment
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