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    #121
    hi Guys

    I think Robert's thought could be correct. ADS= AS in triangle
    There are 3 raise spots in those 3 corners in triangle, and I think the spots are the abbreviation spot ".". So, That makes sense ........A.D.S. = AS in triangle
    Robert, I just strengthen your idea....hope we can figure out the correct maker ASAP.

    best regards
    Indy

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      #122
      Morning guys,

      Well this thread is getting more complicated but also more interesting by the day. It's my feeling that we are certainly on to something but untill now nobody is able to draw the correct conclusions or see the global picture.

      Even before seeing Don's link, based upon Robert's Greek "D" my thoughts also went immediately to the "so called" Hauptmünzamt Munchen IAB. Already in the past we came to the conclusion that HMA Munchen most likely had nothing to do with the production of these IAB's. When you compare the set-up of these IAB's with the set-ups posted in this thread it's obvious that this IAB also came out of the Gablonz area. The similarity with the AS in triangle logo for sure isn't a coincidence either.

      So how would we read that logo. If the Greek "D" theory is correct then it could be any combination of "D K M" at least if we read those characters correct. So who's good at puzzling? Can these characters be linked to a Gablonz based maker?

      Don, also good thinking to bring JFS in the picture. Only recently I was comparing three badges and their set-ups.

      1. JFS 50 PAB
      2. RK 25 GAB
      3. MuK 5 LGAB

      You can look at them however you won't but there is only one conclusion possible these 3 maker used identical hardware and crimping tools. So here is what I was thinking. We know AG Muk was a Gablonz conglomerate consisting of at least 7 makers. Taken in to account how many known Gablonz makers there are what would have been the chance that besides these known makers you had another 7 unknown makers.

      As far as I'm concerned the members of the AG Muk conglomerate could very well have been the known makers we are discussing right now. If this is correct than e.g. Muk 5 could well be either RK or JFS and this immediately would explain why a Muk 5 LGAB features the same set-up as an RK numbered GAB or a JFS numbered PAB.

      I think we are really on to something here, problem is how to find proof for it.

      @ the IAB you posted is a JB&co. made in Thüringen

      Here are some close ups of the (D)KM in triangle IAB.

      KR
      Philippe
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        #123
        catch
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          #124
          mm
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            #125
            Good morning guys. I actually woke of this morning to a blazing revolation about these badges. More on that in a second. First some more pics of the MK (triangle) badge from Chris down under. The obverse.
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              #126
              The reverse.
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                #127
                The hinge
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                  #128
                  Another view.
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                    #129
                    Following on around
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                      #130
                      Last hinge shot.
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                        #131
                        Now for the catch.
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                          #132
                          again.
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                            #133
                            last catch.
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                              #134
                              Let's not forget our little friend the pin.
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                                #135
                                Now for the brilliant flash that struck me while I was sleeping. (yes, I know dreaming of badges is wrong, I feel so dirty ) In the EK field we talk about the "Gabloner" method of frame construction. This was a mackine that took a piece of wire, wrapped it on a template and pressed it into a frame that needed minimal handworking. It was a quantum leap over the old way of frame construction. (I hope the EK boys don't shoot me for the over-simplification).

                                My theory is that these crimped in hardware styles that we see on these badges is another "Gablonzer" method. It speeds up the attaching of reverse hardware and allows it to be done by unskilled labor. You take hinge "A" and place it in hole "B" and then operate the machine and walla, out pops a perfect crimp every time. Same with the catch. Beats the heck out of the old gas torch soldering method which required skilled labor to get it right. These two styles we see both operate under the same principle.
                                I believe that everything was made in Gablonz, the badges, the hardware etc... and the assembly.

                                Now here is the really neat part. If the machine that did all this resided in Gablonz then the badges we attribute to A.D.Schwerdt were actually made by someone in Gablonz. Note the simularity of the maker mark with the MK (triangle) mark.

                                And lastly- this is what woke me up, if the machine still existed after the war, and it was still in Gablonz, then Czechoslovakia must have been where those fake PABs with the ball hinges came from.

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