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    #61
    There are a few points to consider. First, comparing badges badges made before 1940, particularly the Luftwaffe qualification badges, there are more marked differences in the designs used by different factories. In 1940, the OKW assigned development of new badges to Juncker and required Juncker to make drawings, data, samples, etc., available to any new contractors. The designs became much more consistent during the years 1941-5.

    It would seem logical that parts such as wire, flat pins, hinges, tubing and hinge pins would have been bought from a general supply company. One company could make all the hinges needed. A box of 1000 hinges would fit in your hand.

    It is plausible that some of the companies did not make any or all of the dies that they used but instead bought them from another contractor. Particularly during the years 1942-5 when rationalization (streamlining) was absolutely demanded, it would seem logical that the Government, which issued contracts and made the decisions about quantities and contractors, could require one contractor to make die sets available for other producers. This would account for the close similarities for companies located hundreds of miles apart (Lüdenscheid is roughly in the Ruhr area in northwest Germany, Gablonz in what was then eastern Germany along the border with what is now Poland, Stuttgart in southwest Germany and Munich in southeast Germany) having similar designs and fittings.

    It helps to know the size of the companies and what kind of business they normally did. Juncker, Deschler and others made fine quality items (basically jewelry for men) while Assmann basically made uniform hardware and buttons and SHuCo made cast toys and parts. A company like SHuCo would be large scale and probably be accustomed to making dies, as would Assmann. The others might do less of the basic work and more of the high quality finishing (solid silver and gold work, enamel). In addition, there were at least 2 consortiums of small shops, one the gold workers of Hanau and the other, larger AGMuK Gablonz (Consortium of Metal and Synthetic Material Manufacturers at Gablonz) which probably had at least 3 members and maybe more who likely shared time on heavy machinery and possibly dies.

    I studied pocket knife manufacture in Sheffield, and it was made up of world reknowned big companies, middle sized companies and small mom-and-pop (little mesters) companies. The big companies bought out working or defunct small companies and sometimes used the old marks. The big companies often bought small run items (gold and silver or pearl fancy knives or lock back stag handle knives) from little mesters and had their name put on them. One company in Sheffield at that time supplied most of the trade with parts. Only the big companies made their own parts. Blades also were forged by a forger, ground by a grinder and finished off by the actual manufacturer (or assembler). Most of the small shops could not afford to invest in the stamping and forming presses. One company in Sheffield, Richards, founded by a German, made tons of really cheap souvenir knives and they had all the tooling since they produced such large quantities.

    Measured by quantity, most of the wartime badges were probably produced by large firms like SHuCo or Assmann when compared to companies like Juncker and Deschler. It would be interesting to see what the companies were like. Someone living in Germany could do the research very easily by just visiting the local museums, archives and companies. The companies are sensitive about Third Reich items for legal and other reasons and usually you get the Sgt. Schulz response. But if you go to the Lüdenscheid Museum, you will see Third Reich medals produced after the War for the Museum. Only Berlin and Dresden makers suffered bombing damage to the best of my knowledge. And there should still be living some of the people who made the stuff. I am sure the plunderers and fake marketers have been there.

    Anyway, just some food for thought.
    Hugh

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      #62
      Kai winkler had or still has an Assmann box that was filled with the little eagle components for SA/SS daggers etc, the pic of the box and components are still on his website.

      Proof that Assmann supplied these eagles to third parties, be it other manufacturers, outfitters, repair guys I don't know.

      Would be good to find such an old box from a supplier of hingeblocks or catches.

      C

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        #63
        Originally posted by colin davie
        Kai winkler had or still has an Assmann box that was filled with the little eagle components for SA/SS daggers etc, the pic of the box and components are still on his website.

        Proof that Assmann supplied these eagles to third parties, be it other manufacturers, outfitters, repair guys I don't know.

        Would be good to find such an old box from a supplier of hingeblocks or catches.

        C
        Colin,
        hinge blocks and catches, that's just the part of the story. There is final assembly process in play as well. Assembly could be "personalized" by each of the companies on their own...

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          #64
          Here is the hardware from the bronze A.S. at the beginning of this thread. First up is the catch.
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            #65
            Another of the catch. Note it is crimped different than the AS (triangle).
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              #66
              One more at another angle. Sorry about the quality but Robert has me beat in this respect.

              Don
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                #67
                And the hinge- The crimp on it is closer to the RK PAB than the AS (triangle).
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                  #68
                  Another one.
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                    #69
                    And lastly- this one is for Robert. The end of the pin. Get the point?
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                      #70
                      Now my next question is this- If A.D.Schwerdt was in Stuttgart, RK was in Gablonz and Adolf Scholze was in Gruenwald an der Neisse then who was more likely to share/co-use tools, equipment, dies, and materials? Can someone plot Gruenwald on the map?
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                      Don
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                        #71
                        Originally posted by ddoering
                        And lastly- this one is for Robert. The end of the pin. Get the point?
                        Great pictures Don! Thanks! These pictures are good enough to tell that pin sharpening is different from PAB's with AS in triangle. Now the most important question Don: can you see pronounced edge to the pin (post#32)?

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                          #72
                          Pronounced, no. Slightly rounded, yes. You can tell that they took a piece of round stock wire and flattened it slightly.

                          I would still like to see more example of RK, A.S., and AS (triangle) hardware from other badges like lufts and kriegsmarine.
                          Don
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                            #73
                            Don,
                            Depends which Grünwald - one near Munich, another near lake Constance, south of Stuttgart.
                            Marc

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                              #74
                              It is either an der Neisse or an der Neckar River. I know the Neckar goes through Stuttgart and the Neisse goes by Gablonz. (I hope I'm spelling this right or Frank will get me)
                              Don
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                                #75
                                Originally posted by ddoering
                                Now my next question is this- If A.D.Schwerdt was in Stuttgart, RK was in Gablonz and Adolf Scholze was in Gruenwald an der Neisse then who was more likely to share/co-use tools, equipment, dies, and materials? Can someone plot Gruenwald on the map?
                                Thanks
                                Don
                                Don,
                                if i'm correct Grünwald an der Neisse is now:Mšeno nad Nisou (Czech Republic). Here is link to the map: http://www.fallingrain.com/world/EZ/...nad_Nisou.html

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