Thoughts on this ebay item

[Adrian Stevenson]

All these items are total and utter rubbish. This seller once came to the forum, and is indeed a registered user, to defend his wares, mainly camo helmets. He attitude was also very agressive. One to avoid.

Cheers, Ade.

[DJT]

Yes, definitely a seller to steer clear of Does anybody know his real name?

[lnijherald]

What worries me is that his items are listed amoung my items. People might get the impression we are one and the same person!

I've put him on my blocked bidders list.
Clever moths though, they managed to eat an entire BD blouse, but ate neatly around the valuable parts!

Look at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...524554895&rd=1
Showing a perfectly legit makersmark ZL&T ltd, and faint MECo as well?
Luc

[SHEARING-CROSS]

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD ANYONE BID / BUY FROM THIS SELLER
I was the high bidder on a cap from him , before auction had closed i asked for a better description , the near mint example he quoted when it arrived was very badly mothed , several of the moth holes had been plugged with a glue and BD `fluff` mix !! ,when i contacted him as to the difference in what he quoted and what i got , he got VERY NASTY ,VERY QUICK told me that i was blind ..or stupid ..or both , refused to refund payment , then offered to refund part of the payment ,
very quickly threatens you with neg feedback as he knows this will make most people back off , in the end i just kept the item and put it down to a learning curve .

if you read this Mr 18fl ...cant wait until we do bump in to each other at a fair ,
i plan to have a bit of a chat with you !

[Jack Dutton-Roberts]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

Great insignia! I think a few of you guys know this Tim Taylor? I know him from the ABRG forum and I have helped him out a lot in the past. I honestly do not think he knows this is wrong? We all make genuine mistakes but is this one? With knowing him...I sent him an email about it.

"Hi, You seem very sure of yourself!!! I?ve just spent 15 years in the British Army Air Corps during which time i gave up a lot of free time to work/ help the veterans of the AAC/GPR, all of the insignia came from ex Glider Pilot Regiment soldiers. However i cannot say 100% that they are WW2 produced, as you cannot say that they aren?t. But coming from WW2 glider pilots is guarantee enough for me. I've been very lucky in the past to have had the opportunity to socialise with these men and have never needed to collect replica items."

Thanks, from Jack.

[Jack Dutton-Roberts]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...525535317&rd=1

"and the threads of the wing are horizontal which makes this a WW2 wing, as the post war wing feathers are at an angle." - Yes, but it's a fake!

[Jack Dutton-Roberts]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...525546151&rd=1

"WW2 recconaisance corps shoulder title,i am 99% sure this is the real thing" - Shame about that 1% really!!!

[Jack Dutton-Roberts]

Is it just me or has there been more and more crap on ebay recently?

[Jack Dutton-Roberts]

Throw me the sick bucket please...now those are nasty fakes!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW

[Jack Dutton-Roberts]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...525527287&rd=1

"military dealer some years ago who was very keen to buy it" - Keen to buy it so he could burn it more like!

"the cap is also much bigger and floppy compaired to modern caps, it was purchased at a jumble sale in the 1970s" - Hmmm yeah!

[russell sprout]

Message for Jack D

Hi Jack,

I'm the seller of the GPR grouping that you tell me is a fake.... Now I’m not one for causing a scene but feel that this is a bit out of order what you have to write, especially from seeing one picture. Like i mentioned in my E-mail, over the past 15 years I’ve been very honoured to have been able to spend a lot of time with these men who I admire a great deal. All of my GPR collection came from these men apart from the usual items to compliment the display, webbing, helmets, deacts etc. All of our personal circumstances change from time to time and I have now found it time to sell on a lot of my collection including some very rare and interesting items... Horsa instruments, Logbook etc. I brought the particular BD top from a veteran who used to display items of GPR memorabilia at the various GPR association events. Comparing the badges with other sets of wings in my collection I have had no reason to question the authenticity of them and especially after where they came from.

To say they are fake because of the direction of stitching is utter horse s&^t, The fakes on Ebay are so obvious to spot but I’m sure your no expert on the British cotton industry 1939-45.

One more point, if a DDay and Arnhem veteran gave you an obviously post-war Pegasus flash would you discount it as being FAKE????? What is an original flash????

Do you honestly think that a BD jacket, say issued one month before Op. Market Garden, washed once a week, worn throughout a battle then say 6 months in captivity would have survived today?????? Having spent 15 years in the Army washing and ironing a uniform every other day I can tell you NOT!!!! So don't ever think however sure you are when anyone offers you an Original set of badges that they are. One other point before I finish. The items on Ebay that are for sale have been brought by me at a price just below the reserve, I’ve got plenty of items given to me by Vets who realised that I appreciated what they were and would take great care of.... These items I wont sell but I’m sure one day I will find someone like myself and I’m sure other forum members like yourself that I would be happy to pass them onto.

Anyway mate, I hope I’ve put that diplomatically because i enjoy associating with other like-minded people. I’ve listed the grouping as an original set because that is what I believe they are, Not an Arnhem BD or DDay BD but from an original member of the Glider Pilot Regiment and if he added 1944 badges or 1984 badges it is still original (pretty sure they are wartime)…..FRIENDS??



Best regards,

TT

P.S Reading the other threads, I feel that my name has now been associated with all the duff sellers that we all like to moan about. If we ever meet, remind me to show you my ORIGINAL 1944 GLIDER ESCAPE AXE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jack Dutton-Roberts]

Now I’m not one for causing a scene but feel that this is a bit out of order what you have to write, especially from seeing one picture.

Don't need any other pictures to see that the badges are fake. Not out of order, just giving people warning.

I brought the particular BD top from a veteran who used to display items of GPR memorabilia at the various GPR association events. Comparing the badges with other sets of wings in my collection I have had no reason to question the authenticity of them and especially after where they came from.

Of course, just because they came from the veteran they are ok.

To say they are fake because of the direction of stitching is utter horse s&^t, The fakes on Ebay are so obvious to spot but I’m sure your no expert on the British cotton industry 1939-45.

Didn't say that. Yes, the fakes on eBay are obvious to spot, this included.

What is an original flash????

Sorry, I've never studied philosophy!

Do you honestly think that a BD jacket, say issued one month before Op. Market Garden, washed once a week, worn throughout a battle then say 6 months in captivity would have survived today??????

No, but it doesn't make your one more original.

I’ve listed the grouping as an original set because that is what I believe they are.

As I said earlier, I know you wouldn't sell something deliberately as a fake.

P.S Reading the other threads, I feel that my name has now been associated with all the duff sellers that we all like to moan about. If we ever meet, remind me to show you my ORIGINAL 1944 GLIDER ESCAPE AXE!!!!!!!!!!!!

What other threads? I've only mentioned your name once in this thread? I can assure you that there is no way you have been associated with the duff sellers. I'd love to see your axe, but please, I'm not a violent person. And btw, I can see how I may have annoyed you but I've not done anything wrong.

Thanks, from Jack.
PS. Friends? Yes, I'm not angry with you and you have no reason to be angry at me?

[russell sprout]

Another message for Jack

Jack,

Looking at your profile i see that you’re an 18 year old school boy with a lot of growing up to do, you never annoyed me before but you have now, with your attitude.... What possibly makes you an expert???? The next Glider Pilot Regiment Association meeting that i attend, I’ve got a good mind to take the dribble that you write to show these men who you obviously know so much about so that they can pity you!!!!! dont dishonour these men!! Deadly Delta my arse.... more like Deadly Diarrhoea!!! Anyway, this is now in the past and forgotten (agreed), I've only just joined this forum that looks like a very good set up, and 1, i don’t hold a grudge and 2, i haven't got the time when there is so much more interesting factual information to read.

Cheers,

Russ

[Jack Dutton-Roberts]

Were you never 18? Growing up to do? What? You mean studying at college for my "A" Levels, running a small business on eBay, TA Trooper, attending one militaria show per week running a stall, spending hours each day studying Airborne cloth insignia (as sad as it may be!), and still having time to help people out on here?

I never said I was an expert on these things but I'd say my opinion is educated.

"The next Glider Pilot Regiment Association meeting that I attend, I’ve got a good mind to take the dribble that you write to show these men!!!!!"

And don't dishonour these men you say? What a cheek! I have a great deal of respect for these men. In fact, I have so much respect for them I actually actively try and preserve the history (www.go-to-it.net)! Only last year I put on a small glider related exhibition at Liverpool Library to try and raise awareness of what these brave men did for us. There are few enough young people interested in this area so don't criticise me!! Most people my age wouldn't give a toss about what soldiers did for us in WW2!! At least I do!!

I enjoy this forum lots and I only want to have great discussions with people like you on the subject. I don't want to argue. Let's just forget this now and carry on with what this hobby is really about.

Respectfully, from Jack.

[Si1964]

Guys,
A discussion on the attributes of an item and the cut and thrust of "is it" or "isn't" is one thing, however, until Ade catches up with the thread, I must request that you stop the personal snipes straight away as this is not what this forum is about and it is sending this thread down a slippery slope.

Thanks