I can verify that goldgelb was the standard color for AA 3 in North Africa as I had this verified in numerous discussions with the Abteilung's adjutant Gerd von Fallois.
I can verify that goldgelb was the standard color for AA 3 in North Africa as I had this verified in numerous discussions with the Abteilung's adjutant Gerd von Fallois.
I see. From your post ("The waffenfarbe appears to be yellow") you seemed to infer that you reached your conclusion from the photograph. Surely you can understand our confusion?
Thank you for your response "Pauke" and welcome to the site.
Yes, "alphared6", I see your confusion. My name is Christopher Stone and I'm from Chicago, Illinois. What is your name and in what city do you reside?
Christopher
Hello Christopher. I'm Michael Gonzales, I reside in Oklahoma City. You may recall you assisted me when I first came on here with the posting of a picture of my Sonderverband 287/288 badge.
I too have been fortunate to have discussions with a number of German and American veterans of the Second World War. I had a lengthy conversation with a fellow who was on Rommel's staff! He was an obergefreiter and served as the staff artist!
It's OK for a relative newcommer. Other's are much nicer and yours' is QUITE nice too!
I studied the photo with a glass and estimated the piping's color was golden yellow. Compared this pic with several other unit I'D, period Afrika photos. It's an educated guess actually.
Just trying to help Tim with his quest for an answer on that question.
I studied the photo with a glass and estimated the piping's color was golden yellow. Compared this pic with several other unit I'D, period Afrika photos. It's an educated guess actually.
Christopher
I conducted an interesting study some time back when I became interested in colorizing B&W photos of soldiers. I lined up several shoulder boards and colar tabs all with different waffenfarben. I photographed them then rendered the color picture into B&W in a hope that knowing what the colors translate into in B&W would assist me in coloring photos. I did learn a few things. Red will almost always look black as will dunkel rose. All the med colors look the same shade of gray and all the light colors will look white. Every history of the Afrikakorps I've ever read says white would have been a very rare waffenfarbe in the desert and that Army AAA wore white. In truth I don't think I have ever seen an original tropical board piped in white, no cap for sure.
I have been lucky enough to handle an original 1941 dated Lubstein with a white soutache that was souvenired by a vet in North Afrika. It isn't in a collection but still belongs to the vet, and no I haven't tried to get it out of him. Being trusted enough to be shown original items by the vets who acquired them is an honour in itself. I didn't feel the need to have to walk away with it in my 'possession'.
When it comes to collecting some people believe that "Who dares Wins", but I'd rather treat people respectfully even if it is to the detriment of my collection.
As for tropical boards piped in white Michael, the only examples which I have seen have been the mid war with field grey wool backings. They were more than likely used by infantry throughout Italy, Greece etc. I'd love to find an example with a brown wool backing so here's hoping.
I have been lucky enough to handle an original 1941 dated Lubstein with a white soutache that was souvenired by a vet in North Afrika. It isn't in a collection but still belongs to the vet, and no I haven't tried to get it out of him. Being trusted enough to be shown original items by the vets who acquired them is an honour in itself. I didn't feel the need to have to walk away with it in my 'possession'.
When it comes to collecting some people believe that "Who dares Wins", but I'd rather treat people respectfully even if it is to the detriment of my collection.
As for tropical boards piped in white Michael, the only examples which I have seen have been the mid war with field grey wool backings. They were more than likely used by infantry throughout Italy, Greece etc. I'd love to find an example with a brown wool backing so here's hoping.
Mark
Are we related?? Ever get the feeling you had a long lost brother out there, somewhere??
Well said.
Mark.
Michael, I saw a pair of white piped DAK greatcoat boards while in Germany. They belonged to the family of a Heer Flak 606 battalion veteran. I bought his "PW" marked DAK greatcoat on the German e-bay and, following two years of communication, visitied them for a two week vacation. They were very, very nice and Germany was exceptionally beautiful! Unfortunately, they would not sell his boards or POW marked soldbuch. I did however receive alot of personal information about him, his original POW photos, copies of his DAK/POW artwork and a map of his unit's major engagements up & down the North African coast. We remain good friends today.
Hello, Here is a 100% set of white piped EM boards with brown wool underlay.
Also, Chris, Mark, etc.. I almost wish I never posted pics of what I bought. If I new that jelousy was going to cause such a huge stink among us collectors , then I would have never shown the pics. I thought that all of us(collectors) would enjoy seeing original untouched items and help other "novice" collectors , like me, gain knowledge, by studying the items. I have opened my SS cloth collection and tried to help educate other collectors, so that, they will not get burned on high quality fakes, etc...
Now, I have other items that I would like to show, but, at this point, I don't think I will do so!
I am going to help Michael out by showing him the pair of boards that I just purchased, but after that, then that will be it. No more pics!
Grant
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