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**Barzini** · 02-05-2018, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by Jeff V View Post

k tab is a good one for me.

For me as well

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**Barzini** · 02-05-2018, 10:08 PM

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**Ian Hulley** · 02-06-2018, 04:10 AM

Originally posted by Waffenreich View Post

So you're calling me a liar basically.

Wehl was kind enough to forward this a minute ago. Unless he, or one of his pals dressed-up it looks to me like a period pic showing the exact style of tab. Notice how the "tails" are squared off like the tab I've shown.

With respect, it's quite obvious that the tab on the (excellent) photo is not a bullion-embroidered one.

The only thing I DO know for certain is that I'm glad I no-longer yearn for these bitterly disputed pieces of cloth.

Ian

**Waffenreich** · 02-06-2018, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Ian Hulley View Post

With respect, it's quite obvious that the tab on the (excellent) photo is not a bullion-embroidered one.

The only thing I DO know for certain is that I'm glad I no-longer yearn for these bitterly disputed pieces of cloth.

Ian

Thanks for coming on Ian and you are absolutely correct in that it is a cotton thread embroidered example.

What I was referring to was the pattern of the Unterlagen. I was trying to draw attention to the straight and parallel design of the legs and pronounced blocked off ends of them, and the end of the upper cross-bar. I was saying my tab appears virtually identical in design to that shown in both Wehl's pic and the one in Mike Beaver's book.

vr

Bob

**tgn** · 02-06-2018, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by Waffenreich View Post

I think those who know me personally here will vouch for the fact that I approach this hobby with integrity and don't need to fabricate s... to legitimize the items I get.

Thanks again!

Bob

Count me in as one of those who has known Rob for years and can vouch for his integrity.

Tom

**Waffenreich** · 02-06-2018, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by tgn View Post

Count me in as one of those who has known Rob for years and can vouch for his integrity.

Tom

Very kind of you Tom. I guess beers are on me at the Gasthaus

Rkdek, Jeff, and Barzini - appreciate you dropping in with comments

**NZMark** · 02-06-2018, 04:13 PM

I'll put this in here and hope it helps.
No comment on originality - I'll leave that to SS insignia collectors, but that smock fits into the 'catch-of-a-lifetime' category. I'd personally leave it as is - it is part of the smock's history.
Regards,
Mark
NZ

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**90th Light** · 02-06-2018, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by Waffenreich View Post

Robert E & Robert H,

I appreciate your support here as this was my biggest concern once Dr. Strangelove questioned it in the original Thread.

If there were numerous known original examples of these to compare and there was a level of consistency among them that this did not conform to then OK, the discussion should go deeper, but that isn't the case here. Look at the example attributed to Weitze and the example photographed in Beaver's book. Does Weitze's look annyyything like the one in the photo of the SS soldier wearing one or what is shown in Beaver's book? No. I guess that makes it fake. The angled part of the legs flare out like bell bottoms and the wire embroidery looks spurious at best. The tab I've provided looks like the other two examples. Both mine, and the example in Beaver's book both show a common unmistakable characteristic - that dimple at 12:00 where the wire embroidery makes the downturn on the upper crossbar.

I am really trying to wrap my head around why Owen is on a Jihad to first, not only question this tab when it clearly conforms to the photographed examples, but more importantly to me on a personal level, call me a liar implying I conjured up a fantastic story to legitimize the tab, like what was done with the SS camo helmet covers in Europe. Do I need to have the old guy I got this stuff from have an affidavit notarized backing-up what happened between us? He still has more stuff that we're working on, but I won't even dare post it here now (couple of belt buckles, some pins, and two helmets [not SS]).

I think those who know me personally here will vouch for the fact that I approach this hobby with integrity and don't need to fabricate s... to legitimize the items I get.

Thanks again! Bob

I have complete empathy with what you are saying here and the frustration you are feeling with this situation. Have a read of this thread and you will see what I mean;

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=officer+eagle

At the end of the day, it is the members who really know their SS bullion liking it that counts. However, there is the odd member who would be best to leave well alone what they does not understand,

Chris

**kammo man** · 02-06-2018, 07:25 PM

I know more than you Chris so don’t try to be smart.
It shows how childish you actually are.

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**John T** · 02-06-2018, 08:09 PM

I am not going to comment on the veracity of how Bob obtained his tab nor does that matter to me as I prefer to study the artifact but to say that it is exactly the same as previous known tabs is not correct, there are obvious differences and if that be a function of the maker I do not know and I will not explain these differences as we do not need to educate the fakers as to what has been accepted as correct up to this point. To do so would mean that we would see bullion K tabs popping up all over the place with the correct features.

**90th Light** · 02-06-2018, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by kammo man View Post

I know more than you Chris so don’t try to be smart.
It shows how childish you actually are.

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No I have every reason to be smart about this and it is nothing to do with anything childish.

You were talking through a hole in your head when it came to the comments you made about my SS officer eagle.
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=officer+eagle

When it comes to SS bullion, you are a learner license, apprentice at best.

Give up on you own self rated importance and begin to take on board that a little bit of learning can be a dangerous thing, especially when you start declaring SS bullion items that are good as bad,

Chris

**kammo man** · 02-06-2018, 08:35 PM

Do you think this K tab is as real as a Pink Smock ?

Your opinion is welcome...........

Sad to say your eagle is still fake.

Sad to say the K is also fishy.

**jimt** · 02-06-2018, 08:45 PM

k tab

The K tab in my opinion is not correct , I am with Kammo man , Dr. strangelove and John T, I have seen three original pattern K tabs which all exhibit the same traits , this one has none of them and compared to a original tab is very poorly done. I also will not show my tab and reference , really do not need to get a better fake , sorry
jimt

**Texasuberalles** · 02-06-2018, 09:38 PM

I suppose I'm a little slow but could someone use their skills and show:

that dimple at 12:00 where the wire embroidery makes the downturn on the upper crossbar.

**JohnnyA** · 02-06-2018, 10:37 PM

K Tab

Originally posted by jimt View Post

The K tab in my opinion is not correct , I am with Kammo man , Dr. strangelove and John T, I have seen three original pattern K tabs which all exhibit the same traits , this one has none of them and compared to a original tab is very poorly done. I also will not show my tab and reference , really do not need to get a better fake , sorry
jimt

100% correct as long as your comparing this tab to maker #439/37, a common maker of K Tabs. This is maker 718 and is an original example from that maker. Nice tab.

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