Camo coming from Lorenzo? Post it here!

[Fritz]

Interesting you lost your archives but remember also what I offered your 10 years ago, this clearly is not a technical thread, but a personal attack.
If you are exploring your archives, take a loock at some remade M43/42 and SS Panzer wrapper I saw for sell over the years on your website...people are not stupid Peter.
I read some threads in the past about your website...

Moderator, can I write this?

I would advice you to open another thread as this thread is about your items.

You tried to attack me by claiming I have sold a fake TK tab - reread the thread from back then. Turned out they weren't as fake as you "rembered".

You also accused me of having sold fake VT straps. Can you bring that thread back up again as I don't remember it? Deal with all our sins or the lack thereof but do this in another thread please!

Again: This thread is not about what others have done or didn't do. Here we deal with items that came from you. Items that are fake as I have proven over the last pages for everyone that cares to spend a minute or two to understand the actual problem.

Cheers

[Fritz]

The others helmet covers, will be published in all details on my books...so I dont want to post anything here to teach you.
You are inventing your rules of manifacture, but only where you want.

It is a pity you don't want to post anything to teach us.

[Fritz]

Did the fake cap and helmet cover come from you or not that Peter has shown ?
No more smokescrenes.......
Or lies.

A very good question!

[Fritz]

Just one correction, Owen, it is caps not cap.

[Lorenz]

I understand your point of view like a dealer, but I am not a dealer.
Personally like you or other collectors and dealers I probable in the past bought, sold or traded something bad.
At the time the pieces I owned liked me and the others, some had been posted and always, from what I remember got the forum ok.
When jumped out the books of Kelly Hicks in '90 I discovered my almost entire collection of SS helmets was fake, what I did? I sold 10 SS helmets like reproduction for 3k......WHen I bougth them I belived were good..... maybe in 10 years will be declared fake the new batch of helmet covers from Bayern...Who know

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I am sure we have sold other items which have been bad in the past, like all dealers have. We try to do our best to solve any problems with items which are deemed as bad in the past.

It will be interesting to see what you will do with items you have sold.

Peter

[Fritz]

but I am not a dealer.

That is true as you probably not take these bad items back or will you? And it is not true in that you turned more items over than many dealers ever will.

However, I see your statement has got nothing to do with your items. I just wanted to get that straight.

To be honest I would rather like to focus on the items and where they have come from. Can we do this, Lorenzo?

Cheers

[kammo man]

Just one correction, Owen, it is caps not cap.

How many CAPS are there Fritz in your opinion ?
As many as the helmet covers ?

[Fritz]

How many CAPS are there Fritz in your opinion ?
As many as the helmet covers ?

Yes! More or less.

What I was refering to though was that Peter has posted two caps.

[kammo man]

Copy that.

Help me understand

So there is more than Cammo caps .......and helmet covers ?
There are wool tunics as well ?
and Oak wraps and panzer combis ?

And this was all going on during the mid 2000s when there was loads of money floating around the SS collecting community making the prices sky rocket ?

uuuummmmm,

[Palmenmuster]

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The material used to make these items (covers, caps, Kombis etc..) was cut in an incorrect manner.

So, all you have to do is to look at the weave of the material, its texture must run horizontal and vertical, not diagonal, on all parts involved.

There is however one exception to keep in mind which is prewar covers (see for instance Baver page 905). With a wartime cover, cap etc. this is not acceptable.


Fritz and Owen, is this construction detail by your meaning the FACT, meaning all items not according to this standard is FAKE ? Please answer this important statement you have given in previous posts.
Best regards, Tom

[Fritz]

[QUOTE=Palmenmuster;7260469]

Fritz and Owen, is this construction detail by your meaning the FACT, meaning all items not according to this standard is FAKE ? Please answer this important statement you have given in previous posts.
Best regards, Tom

I can only speak for myself here: In a wartime item - with the possible exception of the very odd production flaw - yes.

With camo caps there is also one special thing which I will not make public though.

His items all had this. The Kombi he offered me had to had this as it was made from a zelt (see drawing posted earlier in this thread).


Cheers

[kammo man]

Tom,
I have not seen or remember the combis.
I do know HOW they are made as I examined a real on last saturday so its fresh in my mind.
They are NOT made from zelt cloth.
The inside hand pockets are different also as are the size and maker stamps.

The helmet covers are another matter.
They were made in different ways 100%.

The caps are also specific.

But all thats beside the point.

Has Lorenzo said he DID NOT make or sell to Peter the above helmet cover and cap ?

[Palmenmuster]

[QUOTE=Fritz;7260477]

I can only speak for myself here: In a wartime item - with the possible exception of the very odd production flaw - yes.

With camo caps there is also one special thing which I will not make public though.

His items all had this. The Kombi he offered me had to had this as it was made from a zelt (see drawing posted earlier in this thread).


Cheers

So your statement is that all the parts in a cover has to be horisontal to be original, if I'm right, you underlined this FACT in a previous post, is that correct or have I misunderstood ? What about you Owen? Is this a FACT ? I just want to know, as probably 100s of members.
Tom

[RoyA]

Fritz and Owen, is this construction detail by your meaning the FACT, meaning all items not according to this standard is FAKE ? Please answer this important statement you have given in previous posts.
Best regards, Tom

I'm not trying to stir the pot here but I'm really confused.
I just looked at the Horsetrainer "Horde" thread and found another with diagonal weave.

[kammo man]

Late war covers have looser standards.
Most of the Lorenzo covers use overprint ZELT fabric NOT pullover-cap-helmet cover cloth.
Don't forget that.

HELMET COVER fabric is NOT ZELT fabric.