Camo coming from Lorenzo? Post it here!

[Fritz]

I'm not trying to stir the pot here but I'm really confused.
I just looked at the Horsetrainer "Horde" thread and found another with diagonal weave.

I recon that is the one posted by Lorenzo before.

You must look at the whole cover and how it was assembled. I did not go to that thread but likely here it is the spring tunnel and clip that is at an angle.

That is owed to the production, ie how the parts were put together, not how they were cut out. You must separate these two things.

Also 1 out of 100 originals may show that when a material layer was not properly aligned during cutting the parts. BUT that would be the very rare exception.

Consult the Beaver books, not a single Italian cover or cap in there if memory serves right.

The Italian items all have this!

Cheers

[Jeff V]

Lorenzo, what is your opinion of the cap and cover posted by Peter?

[Palmenmuster]

Late war covers have looser standards.
Most of the Lorenzo covers use overprint ZELT fabric NOT pullover-cap-helmet cover cloth.
Don't forget that.

HELMET COVER fabric is NOT ZELT fabric.

Correct me if Im wrong, you are saying that Zelt fabric and smock/cap/cover cloth is not the same fabric?
Tom

[kammo man]

Tom ,
Thats correct.
owen

[Palmenmuster]

Tom ,
Thats correct.
owen

Thats new for me, so you mean that the Germans made a specific cloth for the covers? What do you mean Fritz ?
Tom

[kammo man]

The fabric was made for pullovers.
Caps and Covers are a by product of that production using the lightweight fabric.

Winter cammo suits are made from ?
A single sided specific fabric.


Zelts are made from a heavy weight fabric suitable for their purpose.
The eyelet section was usually printed single sided in an edge print specifically designed for that purpose .

Its not much of a mystery but something one needs to understand.

[Fritz]

What do you mean Fritz ?
Tom

I prefer not to comment on that here in public. Send an email to me via the forum, you are a man I would like to help - if I can.

Cheers

[zozole]

I would like to hear a comment on the items that Peter showed.

What does Mr Lorenzo and the community have to say about them?

Thx

Emil

[Disco Partisan]

I would like to hear a comment on the items that Peter showed.

What does Mr Lorenzo and the community have to say about them?

Thx

Emil

Yes can we hear please why exactly these are fake? Anyway i've just read threads about "italian fake" covers and they are way different than what Petr posted here

Here are pic of two items I bought of Lorenzo directly in 2005 or 2006.

I bought twocaps and one cover and was later offered more, but did never buy any more then these as Lorenzo seemed to have a unlimited supply of camo caps and covers. I was also offered a SS panzer combi which have been talked about Before here in this thread, but was adviced it was a reproduction by several collectors. It was later sold to a German dealers who sold it to a collector.

I have no idea where these items was sold as it is almost 10 years since we sold them, and we have no archives about it anymore. But if the person who bought these from see this thread and recognize any item please contact me so we can sort the problem out!

It seems moderator Jeff is removing more or less all posts in this matter so it is hard having a discussion about these.

But since I have posted these which i bought directly from Lorenzo, I presume I am allowed also to elaborate why I Think they are not originals.

Before I do i would like moderator Jeff to confirm that.

Peter

here first pic of a cover

[kammo man]

Simple,
Its modern sewing not anywhere near WW2 style using the wrong thread on a zelt cloth and artificial aged.



Tell us why its real ?

[Disco Partisan]

the shown cover is still different from all " italian fakes"

[kammo man]

Its called progress.
Lorenzo got better over the years in his style.
The last ones I seen were way better than his old ones.
Some even made their way onto the Collectors Guild which is horrible for the hobby.

[Scott A. Hess]

Are the rocker clips on these covers original? I am very curious. I'm sure others are too.

[17thairborne]

Simple,
Its modern sewing not anywhere near WW2 style using the wrong thread on a zelt cloth and artificial aged.



Tell us why its real ?

I am learning a lot by reading this thread, can you indicate what factors call out the modern style sewing vs ww2 style? Is it produced by differences in the sewing machine technology? Just want to learn more for future purchases in field made camo things.

[kammo man]

Sewing is one of the keys to these helmet covers.

Modern thread..........and Vintage thread work completely different.

Like Ying and Yang,.

Please educate yourself and look at the sewing on the HOARD.


Then look at lorenzos fake helmet covers.

Use your eyes and study how vintage cloth and sewing marry together.

Then look at Lorenzos fake covers, what will pop out is the sewing.........you will notice the thickness of the thread, you will notice the micro white puffs around the sewing holes where the modern thread pierces the vintage fabric, you will notice the automatic even spaced sewing holes, you will notice the uniformity in Lorenzos covers.

Lorenzos covers are all similar but slightly different but similar.
The wash is simply put cheesy.
The cloth changes.
The sewing is similar.
The contrived tan thread is consistent with the fake paying NO attention to age.

I am only scratching the surface with the con that numbers over 50 covers.

owen