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SS-Ostuf. Gerhard Lotze Komp Chef 11./SS-Pz Gren. Rgt 10 "Westland"
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I just had the opportunity to study the group in hand and all that I can say is that it is 100% better than on the pictures. If ever their was a chance to study textbook wear on a combat worn tunic, this represents that. It is quite remarkable, especially with the various bits and how it corresponds with his service records and awards tie up with his war service. Jacques
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Originally posted by jacquesf View PostI just had the opportunity to study the group in hand and all that I can say is that it is 100% better than on the pictures. If ever their was a chance to study textbook wear on a combat worn tunic, this represents that. It is quite remarkable, especially with the various bits and how it corresponds with his service records and awards tie up with his war service. Jacques
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jeffLooking for a 30 '06 Chauchat magazine.
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Jeff...you bring up some interesting points looking at that particular tunic and then the badge but.... Why is the tunic stained in blood...its the tunic he wore during the first time he was wounded then awarded the black wound badge and then left it at home when he returned for recovery... before going out and being killed in another uniform explains it.I think this story fits what was given as a history....looks like a one looker.
A stunning group which Andre deserves to be the keeper of such a group.
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Originally posted by lassefinn View PostLotze was after heavy wounds in 1943 Instructor in Bad Tölz,in his Holiday he want to visit his comrades at the Front.Here the russians attack the WESTLAND positions and Lotze overtook command over his old company and led them in a counter attack.He was hit by shrapnells in his stomach and died later.
For this bravery he won the Knight Cross posthum.
His hole Group,inkl KC,Tunic,2 Caps,Documents and so on is still alive and in a German collection.
Best regards
best wishes,
jeffLooking for a 30 '06 Chauchat magazine.
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Jeff, there are small puncture holes in the tunic in the stomach ares itself. However the majority of the bleeding and blood was on the pants, to such an extent that the pants rotted and was thrown away. If he bled from a groin/leg wound, an arterial wound have been enough to cause his death and cause this amount of blood on the tunic. Remember if you are wounded severely you normally fall down and blood tend to pool under and around you. There does not have to be a bullet wound that directly correlates with blood stain. If you think this is not a one looker tunic, I doubt whether you have ever seen a one looker tunic.
Regarding the wound badge, obviously this badge was not on this tunic and was not involved in the wound that caused his death. Then no one claimed that. It could have been a badge involved in a previous wound, it could have belonged to a close friend, it could even have been an alien's, we dont know. The arm chair detectective work and conjecture is really tiring sometimes as some of the assumptions are just ridicilous. It is like eyewitness accounts of events that happend 70 years earlier in the chaos of war, when you were not even there and then make logical deductions on 5% of the evidence. Jacques
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Originally posted by John Pic View PostJeff...you bring up some interesting points looking at that particular tunic and then the badge but.... Why is the tunic stained in blood...its the tunic he wore during the first time he was wounded then awarded the black wound badge and then left it at home when he returned for recovery... before going out and being killed in another uniform explains it.I think this story fits what was given as a history....looks like a one looker.
A stunning group which Andre deserves to be the keeper of such a group.
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Originally posted by Wijtman01 View Postplease show us the cusionAttached Files
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Originally posted by jacquesf View PostJeff, there are small puncture holes in the tunic in the stomach ares itself. However the majority of the bleeding and blood was on the pants, to such an extent that the pants rotted and was thrown away. If he bled from a groin/leg wound, an arterial wound have been enough to cause his death and cause this amount of blood on the tunic. Remember if you are wounded severely you normally fall down and blood tend to pool under and around you. There does not have to be a bullet wound that directly correlates with blood stain. If you think this is not a one looker tunic, I doubt whether you have ever seen a one looker tunic.
Regarding the wound badge, obviously this badge was not on this tunic and was not involved in the wound that caused his death. Then no one claimed that. It could have been a badge involved in a previous wound, it could have belonged to a close friend, it could even have been an alien's, we dont know. The arm chair detectective work and conjecture is really tiring sometimes as some of the assumptions are just ridicilous. It is like eyewitness accounts of events that happend 70 years earlier in the chaos of war, when you were not even there and then make logical deductions on 5% of the evidence. Jacques
This hobby requires a lot more than "I got it from the family, so it is a 100% one looker". All we were shown in this thread was a couple of pictures of a tunic from 2 meters distance. Now maybe your guys eyes are like an hawk and can actually determine real from fake on a tunic from 2 meters, however I cannot.
With the large sum of money involved in these things I prefer to ask pertinent questions, I'm sorry that you don't want any such "armchair detective work".
best wishes,
jeffLooking for a 30 '06 Chauchat magazine.
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Originally posted by Jeff V View PostHi Jacques, if you think this conjecture is tiring please reread your above post "blood pooling from a groin wound".
This hobby requires a lot more than "I got it from the family, so it is a 100% one looker". All we were shown in this thread was a couple of pictures of a tunic from 2 meters distance. Now maybe your guys eyes are like an hawk and can actually determine real from fake on a tunic from 2 meters, however I cannot.
With the large sum of money involved in these things I prefer to ask pertinent questions, I'm sorry that you don't want any such "armchair detective work".
best wishes,
jeff
I can see from your comments that you must have held the tunic in your hands eh Jeff?
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Originally posted by AndreM View PostI can see from your comments that you must have held the tunic in your hands eh Jeff?
best wishes,
jeffLooking for a 30 '06 Chauchat magazine.
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