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**NickG** · 12-30-2014, 10:59 PM

Yes lets ALL please stop the attacks. (me being in cahoots with SVM and all that conspiracy silliness...etc...)
Mr Hollywood name makes sense. Nice place Thousand Oaks!
My first big time girl friend was from there

I was in a mechanized infantry unit in Germany myself Thanks for your service.
I will be in Italy in April lovely place, I go every year! I LOVE it and collect Italian also.
Lets keep it classy, both of us!
Thanks

PS: I will post some of my stahlhelm examples in a different thread down the road!

**Blacksmith Life** · 12-31-2014, 12:20 AM

Cliff Notes

Howdy Y'all - Apart from the subject matter, I've been most interested in the spirit and 'rhythm' of this thread. Three compelling thoughts came to mind in considering the same (four actually, but one was about bacon, so unrelated).

Here is what I'm left with:

1) Using post counts, languages spoken, places traveled, shoe size, vertical jump, or any equally insignificant attribute as a measure of a member's worth is ruinous for us all. Primarily, it's ridiculous. Moreover, it's elitist and runs the risk of running off new members / collectors, that we'll need to become the experts of the future for our hobby. If you're worldly-traveled, speak a hundred languages, and have a zillion posts, good for you. However, if you don't use those gifts to lift up and enrich others, you weaken us all;

2)Scientific Method: Have some. Doug, and numerous other members, have been asking for this by other names all along. Bottom line, the quest for answers should be objective, inclusive, and leverage factual premises to reach the proper conclusion. It is not an appropriate expectation of the community to disprove flimsy theories, but rather the hypothesis owner's responsibility to prove its merit (actually that there is sufficient evidence to reject the null in favor of the alternate). That preserves the evidentiary standard of overwhelming and irrefutable proof.

3) I don't remember who used the term "unsullied" in our thread, but that line of thinking is brilliant. We are the current standard-bearers for our hobby, and should hold perfection as our goal. To do anything less is a miscarriage, and erosive to the future of what we enjoy. When we hand the baton to the next generation, the field should be as pristine as we can leave it, versus strewn with "seems likes", "quite possiblys", and other sloppy sleuthing. I've been accused of being too extreme in the past, but something is either right or it's not.

So, bottom line, I think we should act with compassion, live in fact, and commit to doing what is best for the future of our hobby.

Thank you for giving me a bit of your time.

**90th Light** · 12-31-2014, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by Mr. Hollywood View Post

Tricky Nicky guess what......ready for this one.........I was born and raised in Thousand Oaks Califormia. Moved to Ohio 10 years ago. Got the name "Hollywood" when I was in the USMC....why you ask....gosh must be because Hollywod is only a short 45 minute drive from my home town. Golly gee.

Does it matter whether this guy is in Ohio or Michigan? Hell yeah It matters because the point I was making is that you are careless with your postings, and you don't verify even the smallest portions of your statements. That's why the example matters.

Too much information

But on the point of being "careless and the need to verify even the smallest portions of your statements"

In post number 277 you wrote;

Originally posted by Mr. Hollywood View Post

Last night and this morning I spoke with a couple well known dealers that were at the MAX Show in the early 1980's when the original exporter of these helmets was toting around huge cardboard boxes full of these helmets wrapped in paper selling them to other dealers.

At that time the original exporter represented them for what they are "post war refurbished helmets made for use by the Czecks.

The helmet color was chosen by the CZecks from what was available. These helmets were discovered in parts at a warehouse, and put together and painted post war.

These are not SS helmets, nor are they prewar assembled. No amount of photos, or reaching explinations will change this fact. The original exporter himself sold them to these dealers at the MAX exactly as such, no embelishments.

As far as I am concerned the debate is done.

Thus we can now conclude based on the latest revelation of who sourced these helmets, you posted this information without double checking or at the very least taking a second opinion in regard to the accuracy of the statement on more than one point ???

Chris

**90th Light** · 12-31-2014, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by Blacksmith Life View Post

Howdy Y'all - Apart from the subject matter, I've been most interested in the spirit and 'rhythm' of this thread. Three compelling thoughts came to mind in considering the same (four actually, but one was about bacon, so unrelated).

Here is what I'm left with:

1) Using post counts, languages spoken, places traveled, shoe size, vertical jump, or any equally insignificant attribute as a measure of a member's worth is ruinous for us all. Primarily, it's ridiculous. Moreover, it's elitist and runs the risk of running off new members / collectors, that we'll need to become the experts of the future for our hobby. If you're worldly-traveled, speak a hundred languages, and have a zillion posts, good for you. However, if you don't use those gifts to lift up and enrich others, you weaken us all;

2)Scientific Method: Have some. Doug, and numerous other members, have been asking for this by other names all along. Bottom line, the quest for answers should be objective, inclusive, and leverage factual premises to reach the proper conclusion. It is not an appropriate expectation of the community to disprove flimsy theories, but rather the hypothesis owner's responsibility to prove its merit (actually that there is sufficient evidence to reject the null in favor of the alternate). That preserves the evidentiary standard of overwhelming and irrefutable proof.

3) I don't remember who used the term "unsullied" in our thread, but that line of thinking is brilliant. We are the current standard-bearers for our hobby, and should hold perfection as our goal. To do anything less is a miscarriage, and erosive to the future of what we enjoy. When we hand the baton to the next generation, the field should be as pristine as we can leave it, versus strewn with "seems likes", "quite possiblys", and other sloppy sleuthing. I've been accused of being too extreme in the past, but something is either right or it's not.

So, bottom line, I think we should act with compassion, live in fact, and commit to doing what is best for the future of our hobby.

Thank you for giving me a bit of your time.

I like it

Can we hear number 4 about the Bacon, you have my curiosity

I love idealism, now how do we pragmatically achieve this given the challenges and length of time between then and now ?

Chris

**DougB** · 12-31-2014, 02:20 AM

Nick the chinstrap in the pic, are you certain it says 1946 and not 1948, with the 8 partially cut off? The font appears such that it could be an 8, looking on my iPad tonight.

**Schwerpunkt** · 12-31-2014, 04:53 AM

Originally posted by Jos L C View Post

Karl knows his stuff, cause he's member of the OVMS, so they're probably SS ..
Ik heb het wel gezien hier ..

Jos.

Same here Jos. I rolled my eyes when I read that.

**Kangaroo** · 12-31-2014, 05:29 AM

Originally posted by DougB View Post

Nick the chinstrap in the pic, are you certain it says 1946 and not 1948, with the 8 partially cut off? The font appears such that it could be an 8, looking on my iPad tonight.

Hello Doug,

It is 1946.

Radovan

**Kangaroo** · 12-31-2014, 05:33 AM

Please, note that if the chinstrap is marked 1946 that this does not mean that the helmet issue is the same year. You must reflect the intentions of 1946 and later.

Radovan

**francis006** · 12-31-2014, 05:51 AM

Good to see you here Radovan

Just a question , is this stamp only used for military equipment ?

**GAMS1** · 12-31-2014, 06:10 AM

Many chin straps came out alone with these CS stamps ? a chin strap is also detachable and could have been added to the helmet in the last 70 years ...
You do have those stamps on Army properties only , replaced later by the 2 crossed swords .
The date is the date when the piece came into the stocks , not the manufacture date .
You can find it in uniforms also , not only war time german "restocked" but also french
or italian "restocked"items !
They found in 45 also "second line"stocks issued for the Luftschutz , and i personnally found many times french M35 breadbags with french 38 stamps, LS war time stamped and then this CS lion stamped !
Nick

**Mr. Hollywood** · 12-31-2014, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by 90th Light View Post

Too much information

But on the point of being "careless and the need to verify even the smallest portions of your statements"

In post number 277 you wrote;

Thus we can now conclude based on the latest revelation of who sourced these helmets, you posted this information without double checking or at the very least taking a second opinion in regard to the accuracy of the statement on more than one point ???

Chris

No you can't conclude that. I checked with several dealers and collectors I know who were very active during that timeframe. They all agreed. There is nothing in that post that is different from anything else I have said thus far.

I have no idea who the person was at the show, neither do the people I spoke with. All that was known is what I posted thus far.

The only revelation is for those who have read this thread and devoured every misleading thought put to the keyboard, without doing any pure research of thier own. Nothing new presented on this thread regarding the helmets that hasn't been known for the past 15 plus years to those of us who study helmets.

**Kangaroo** · 12-31-2014, 06:28 AM

Originally posted by francis006 View Post

Good to see you here Radovan

Just a question , is this stamp only used for military equipment ?

Yes,

it is Czechoslovak army approval stamp, so items which were army property were stamped this way.
Yes, the chinstraps can be stamped separately - when took to army property.
Later can be found on ex German CD helmets too - when rejected from army stocks.

Due my experience the way of chinstraps was in most cases following : the ex German ex CD helmets were dismantled by dealers and the parts and shells sold separately - you can see this on for example Ken N. shells stacks photo.

I do not think that the chisntrap dated 1946 on my helmet was manipulated/ added to helmet ex post.

I must add another fact regarding Italian M33 helmet in tan overpaint posted here.

Luftschutz in occupied Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia used captured Italian M33s - in original Italian colour. So there were some of them after May 1945 too.

Photos of Czechoslovak soldiers equipped with ex German helmets are quite rare - it was tricky to photograph in casern after communists putsch in 1948 - you may end haniging on the rope as spy pretty fast ...

**francis006** · 12-31-2014, 06:35 AM

could you also tell me as you said :"later can be found on ex German CD helmets too - when rejected from army stocks" , have German helmets been used just post war (I'ld say from 1946 to 50

) for Czech Army , even feldgrau , and are there pics even if you say they are rare because of the tension at this period and after the putsch ? thanks

**jacquesf** · 12-31-2014, 06:59 AM

Spot the similarities with this thread.
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=778057

**Paul Ba** · 12-31-2014, 07:33 AM

Originally posted by jacquesf View Post

Spot the similarities with this thread.
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=778057

Genau!

Aires, just post then SELL, SELL, SELL, SELL - all I see ever!

All about $$$, €€€, £££ etc etc etc........ find post war trash, sell as gold!

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