Panzer Collection-Be Careful

[OSS]

After viewing these photos, the thing that strikes me is the fact that every single item is fake. Wouldn't you expect that someone who was interested in acquiring original militaria would occasionally stumble on to an original item?

[DonC]

I suspect a lot of the unquestionable stuff has already found a new home. I could be wrong, but from my experience, I suspect that is what has happened.

Don

[derka]

I suspect a lot of the unquestionable stuff has already found a new home. I could be wrong, but from my experience, I suspect that is what has happened.

Don

i agree with you on that point.
Richard's collection was far to be only junk...
derka

[OSS]

i agree with you on that point.
Richard's collection was far to be only junk...
derka

I suppose the next logical question is why is there any "junk"?

[Ohlau]

Junk is everywere, also in another "big names" collection.

[Bond]

I suppose the next logical question is why is there any "junk"?

I thought this thread was about discussing whether or not the items were original, not why they were in someones collection, or did I get that wrong?

[OSS]

I thought this thread was about discussing whether or not the items were original

That ship has already sailed IMO.

[RennWagen]

After viewing these photos, the thing that strikes me is the fact that every single item is fake. Wouldn't you expect that someone who was interested in acquiring original militaria would occasionally stumble on to an original item?

I remember the HG and other threads from the past couple of years. The people that doubted Richard's items, or even disagreed with him in the threads, were accused of attacking him personally. Now we see that they were right after all.

RW

[Zauberflöte]

I believe it would be most wise to close this thread.

It has fulfilled the sole purpose why Glenn started it, don't expect much more educational value to come from it to be honest.

Subsequently some correct observations have been made and unfortunately some unnecessary and IMO disqualifying ones as well (some that have now justly been removed).

F.

[FESTUNGBREST]

With all due respect to the former owner. His enthusiasm in acquiring historical pieces, was not unlike ours. This event redefines the role of the dealer, his responsibilities to the collecting community.

Amazing how the items just vanish when exposed as doubtful or simply "put to the question". Perhaps it is time for some accountability by the dealers or even a statement of some sort. Perhaps the term "lifetime guarantee" should last more than the expiration date on a milk carton. In any case, it is a reminder that any dealer transactions should be taken with as much caution as buying an item on ebay. The word dealer is NOT synonymous with original.


This whole situation is quite sad on many levels, I agree. Thanks so much for having the B---- to shed light on this. We will be careful with the Pz items on this site.

[FESTUNGBREST]

Oh yes, lets just close the thread now, before it "hurts" the hobby...or the dealers...
Watch it close....
5,4,3,2, 1, closed.

[besslein]

well im pretty sure this items would not end in dumpster ,and will find new owners sooner or later.

[Zauberflöte]

....This event redefines the role of the dealer, his responsibilities to the collecting community.

Amazing how the items just vanish when exposed as doubtful or simply "put to the question". Perhaps it is time for some accountability by the dealers or even a statement of some sort. Perhaps the term "lifetime guarantee" should last more than the expiration date on a milk carton. In any case, it is a reminder that any dealer transactions should be taken with as much caution as buying an item on ebay. The word dealer is NOT synonymous with original.

...

I agree, but was this really your eye-opener?

I have never dealt with the dealer in question but I'm happy to believe others when they claim him to be a stand up guy. Realizing that his expertise and credibility has suffered by this whole situation, I think he responded in the most sensible way. Still I find truth as well in some of the previous points made by Derka.

There are very, very few dealers around I would blindly trust beyond my own expertise, an expertise which is still far from its perfection phase btw. IMO we ourselves are responsible for our education and acquisitions, certainly when these kind of amounts are involved. Forums like this can be of great help, as again shown, but time, common sense and educational investment are key essentials.

'Militaria Dealer' is certainly not to be considered a professional profession like a qualified dentist or mechanic f.e. in whom you can comfortably lay your trust and money. I even know dealers that aren't collectors and base most of their knowledge on the pickers they have put out to work.

F.

[Bond]

That ship has already sailed IMO.

I am sure you are correct in this statement, and if that is the case, it would appear that this thread has served its function in drawing the forums membership to a collection of dubious items being offered for sale and further comments about the former owner are probably superfluous.

[Crusader17]

I didn't know him. If he was as controversial a figure as everyone has indicated, perhaps this is his "parting" contribution to this forum and this hobby......as he is laughing his @ss off at the entire conversation.