The Hermann Goering Visor

[John Hodgin]

I this the same cap that the vet got drunk and used as a pillow? I heard that story once.

Perhaps. Heard that one inebriated 101st trooper relieved himself on one of Göring's tunics that was found along with the hat.

[dmytro]

I have made no comments one way or another towards it originality so I consider this comment impartial.

Please tell us this “Vet” story. I was chit chatting with the owner a few days ago about the cap as I was interested in whom Russ Hamilton was. He told me how Russ came about the cap but there was no mention of a WWII vet. Can you elaborate please? Who is/was this vet?

As it was my photo's which originally started this thread and any comment I made subsequently to totally ignored, I have followed this with interest. it is obvious to me and anyone who actually looks at the FACTS Hermann was a uniform freak. As mentioned previously, he had suitcases full of uniforms, all, I suspect different from each other, made by different tailors and to their own interpretation of what a Reichsmarschall's uniforms or insignia looked like, (1939-45) and that ignores the fact the of the numerous houses he "Owned" many may well have had their own stock of uniforms that he was not able to pack into suitcases for his travel to the "West" Many Vet bringbacks may well be authentic, but prove it, this site, any numerous others comment are basd on beklieving the artical and not the story How anyone can deternine authenticity of any item of clothing from from a small grainy photo of a fat bloke on a horse, deserves to be eternally worshipped. Until there is undeniable proof that there is a hat with " Dis Vas Mein im 1942 Hut" signed H Goering, anything else is pure conjecture, ie guesswork.

regards


just my 2 cents worth

regards

[Panzer Rob]

What is going on with the back visor in the post-war photographs? It looks rippled and textured... None of the period photographs show this - was it damaged?



Thanks,
Rob

[Bob Coleman]

You know, I think that this has to be just about the most absurd discussion that I have ever seen in the nearly 8 years that I have been on this forum.

And that, my friends, is saying something.

There is a saying that people in this hobby throw around: "Buy the piece, not the story."

I personally think that is complete B.S. In any museum, for every artifact, they have a document on "provenance". Who owned this item? Where did it come from? What is its history? These things are indespensible in evaluating any object. Does that mean that you just automatically accept whatever anyone at a show tells you about an object?
No.
But it does mean that it is something to be considered as important.

Here the provenance on this cap is absolute, impeccable, airtight.

And all of this nonsense about stitching and conformance of the sweatband is just that: nonsense. This cap has established lineage to the veteran who brought it home, and some people are sitting at their monitors, looking at digital photos of a 70 year old cap (photos that have been taken at different times, under varied lighting conditions) and trying to compare them to 70 year old photos that are in most cases grainy and out of focus.

And all of this started because one individual decided to cry "Wolf !", and I think that Leroy pinpointed quite accurately the reason for that.

I have another saying for you all, to go hand in hand with "Buy the piece, not the story." The saying is this:

"Consider the source".

That means: When you are evaluating a piece, consider the source of the item.

And it also means that if an item is criticized, consider the source of the criticism.

BILL-
TRUER WORDS HAVE NEVER BEEN SPOKEN.

[John Hodgin]

BILL-
TRUER WORDS HAVE NEVER BEEN SPOKEN.

Well, because I saw the hat years ago when Patt had it, and because I know Russ well, I have to agree.

"Buy the piece, not the story." Of course, always. However, many negative posts betray a lack of experience both with veteran acquired pieces and advanced collectors with decades of experience and impeccable character.

[Leroy]

What is going on with the back visor in the post-war photographs? It looks rippled and textured... None of the period photographs show this - was it damaged?


Thanks,
Rob

Rob,
Unfortunately, many crusher cap visors tend to "bubble and crack" over the years, depending on storage, etc.. I'm not sure how exactly to explain this (something in the "finish" coating to the leather), but I'm sure NTZ or Stonemint can expound on this. These visors probably looked great when they were made.
Best,
Leroy

[mjfur]

This pic is in Headgear of Hitler's Germany page 267.

While not Leroy's cap, it has the eagle/wreath/cockade sewn directly to the cap body.

Regards,

[mjfur]

This isn't Leroy's either, but it does appear to have visible backing material on the wreath/cockade.

Regards,

[Mike Davis]

You know, I think that this has to be just about the most absurd discussion that I have ever seen in the nearly 8 years that I have been on this forum.

...

Here the provenance on this cap is absolute, impeccable, airtight.

And all of this nonsense about stitching and conformance of the sweatband is just that: nonsense.

...

And all of this started because one individual decided to cry "Wolf !", and I think that Leroy pinpointed quite accurately the reason for that.

...

Well said! It is idiotic. I talked to Russ again today (he was 'tying up the begonias') and he promised to post as soon as he could but I think we've already pretty much covered the story of how the cap came to be found...

[NTZ]

Rob,
Unfortunately, many crusher cap visors tend to "bubble and crack" over the years, depending on storage, etc.. I'm not sure how exactly to explain this (something in the "finish" coating to the leather), but I'm sure NTZ or Stonemint can expound on this. These visors probably looked great when they were made.
Best,
Leroy

Those are heat marks and can be found on every crusher in one degree or another. It all depends on how it was stored for the last 60+ yrs.

[Panzer Rob]

Rob,
Unfortunately, many crusher cap visors tend to "bubble and crack" over the years, depending on storage, etc.. I'm not sure how exactly to explain this (something in the "finish" coating to the leather), but I'm sure NTZ or Stonemint can expound on this. These visors probably looked great when they were made.
Best,
Leroy

Leroy-

Thanks for that. I am a paper and cloth guy, and I have very little experience with visors, so I appreciate the info. This probably sounds stupid but I was wondering if it could have perhaps been some sort of period treatment that was done to 'modify' the appearance of the visor to give it a unique look, which is why I asked.

Thanks again,
Rob

[Panzer Rob]

Those are heat marks and can be found on every crusher in one degree or another. It all depends on how it was stored for the last 60+ yrs.

Thanks, Nick.

Rob

[Russ H]

Hermann 's Hat

Gentlemen:

I acquired this H.G. Cap in the early eighties after I had placed a Want Ad for relics in the Atlanta paper. The name of the verteran was Gaston Adams, who served in the 101st Airborne. I don't believe he was an officer. When I arrived at his house and he pulled it out of the paper bag I almost fainted. He got it on the train car in Berchtesgaden along with one of Herman's Tunics. Sadly the tunic was stolen up at the Berghof after a spell of alcohol amongst the "liberators."

Anyway, I gave him $1300 cash for it. This cap in the photo is exactly as I purchased it and I wish I still had it.

Russ H.

[Perry Floyd]

What is going on with the back visor in the post-war photographs? It looks rippled and textured... None of the period photographs show this - was it damaged?



Thanks,
Rob

In short, poor storage. Years of variable heat and cold +age. You will notice this on many pickelhaube visors as well.

[NTZ]

How about that, a perfect match. Can't doubt that story

http://aad.archives.gov/aad/record-d...587377,8478366


I would like to know what else this guy got.