Sweatband "reed" material in SS visor

[John Pic]

This whole situation has disgusted me. Im happy alot of experienced people like the visor but a few certainly had fun ruining a good experience for myself and I wont forget that.Because of this very type of thing..a 100%good piece being trashed with no reason or cause that I respond the way I do in some of my threads. Im sure if I passed on this sale that visor would sell fast and probably to an instigator in this case..it wouldnt be a first time that happened.

[BenVK]

I wouldn't waste any time thinking about it John, life's too short.

[BenVK]

I think the "reed" attachment myth arose due solely to Janke. The bottom line is that Janke uses vinyl instead of oilcloth, and plastic (or composite) instead of a reed.

This system is far more prevalent than one would think. Halfar used it on their Ce-Ha Prima line, and the reed is actually covered by a blackened paper, which can look like vinyl, but isn't.

The "no-crosshatching" myth arose as a result of DDR visors and later BRD ones--this is due to the fact that they were made out of plastic, not vulkanfiber. I have quite a few civilian visors that are vulcanfiber WITHOUT crosshatching, as well as a few military and political. IMHO, cross-hatching was not integral to the manufacturing process of vulcanfiber (if it was, you would see it on the interior of Shakos)--it is simply there for grip, so you don't drop you prized Extramutze while putting it on/off.

Stoney, excellent post my friend.
To keep the theme going, check out my new thread.

[SgtB]

This whole situation has disgusted me.

Me too, John! You just take bad news way too seriously. How old are you, anyway? You remind me of a neighbor kid back in the sixties.
And don't worry, there are too many red flags for me to ever want that cap. As long as your happy with it, that's all that matters.

[NTZ]

And don't worry, there are too many red flags for me to ever want that cap. As long as your happy with it, that's all that matters.

Interesting Brain. I asked a very well known pioneer in the field of SS collecting to look at John's visor today. He didn’t see any problem with it. Trust me, this person in the top three in the world in the field of SS. If it had so many red flags why didn’t he see any?

[Felix]

Sad to see the topic of this visor is becoming another pissing contest where the personal insults flamed by atleast two members seems more important than anything else.

Time to get to your senses or pack your toys and move on!

"Felix" - N. Hansson

[SgtB]

Interesting Brain. I asked a very well known pioneer in the field of SS collecting to look at John's visor today. He didn’t see any problem with it. Trust me, this person in the top three in the world in the field of SS. If it had so many red flags why didn’t he see any?

Just a different set of experiences, Nick! Like some of your 'red flags' in your pinned 'tutorial' are laughable to me. For example, I've had so many original visors with visible stitching below the lower piping and even crossing over the piping, that it's not even a concern. Just different things we all look for, I guess. Hey if that cap is right, fine, I just would not own it. Let it go, man! Why is it so important to you that I jump on the bandwagon?

[NTZ]

Just a different set of experiences, Nick! Like some of your 'red flags' in your pinned 'tutorial' are laughable to me. For example, I've had so many original visors with visible stitching below the lower piping and even crossing over the piping, that it's not even a concern. Just different things we all look for, I guess. Hey if that cap is right, fine, I just would not own it. Let it go, man! Why is it so important to you that I jump on the bandwagon?

Brain you might want to study how I use the word “red flag”. Red flag means it should prompt you to examine further and look real hard at the rest of the cap. IT DOES NOT MEAN IT MAKES A CAP BAD ALL BY ITSELF!.

[drbill]

John,
A wonderful, 100% original period WSS visor- I've collected the WSS headgear for 30 years, it to me looks like a one looker!!

I'd igore the naysayers on this one!!!!

congrats on a nice original and rare visor!

[SgtB]

Brain you might want to study how I use the word “red flag”. Red flag means it should prompt you to examine further and look real hard at the rest of the cap. IT DOES NOT MEAN IT MAKES A CAP BAD ALL BY ITSELF!.

Yeah, that's how I use it too!

[NTZ]

Yeah, that's how I use it too!

Well I am glad to see we are moving toward the same page. As for exposed base stitching being laughable, I think not. Yes it happens on period visors. I have seen it on contract caps but very rarely on private purchase visors. I have also seen it on period visors that had repairs to the sweatband or replaced sweatbands. What makes it a red flag is that on 99.9% of the put together visors I have handled you will see the same. It took real sewing talent to get the stitching tucked under the piping where it was not visible. Today there are very few if any that can pull off that one. So yes it is a red flag but that in itself will never condemn a piece. Just one more thing to pay attention to.

[John Pic]

Bonini quit yapping and lets have a list of your helpful "red flags". Maybe someday you will have an ensemble like this one if your nice. Ill bet you'll have magic eyes with this one to.

Thanks to those who put thought and effort into thier posts.

[BenVK]

IT'S ALL YANKEE JANKE !!

[John Pic]

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[Mike Davis]

Please gentlemen, let's leave personalities out of the discussion.

The moderators' desire is to interfere as little as possible but we can't allow the threads to generate into back and forth personal attack and innuendo.

Try to work with us to keep the conversations civil OK?