Originally posted by Friedrich
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My memory is not serving me well. I need to go back through all of my W&L EKI's and EKII's to see...I'll be back. At first thought I don't think so. -
I'm asking because I actually thought I saw this core in a W&L frame once. I even bought the W&L just to be able to make the comparison. But it turned out it was just the angle and lighting. The W&L had a shorter 1 and smaller swaz. I believe there are variations of the W&L core as well, with really short and not so short 1:s. But that's off topic..
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No, all of my W&L's have the short '1'. This leaves me to believe this unique wrapped-around '1' date is a Juncker. At least at this date and time.Comment
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Also, I just remembered mine has a non-magnetic core.. Is your's also non-magnetic? Do you know of any non-magnetic W&L:s?
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I just checked my W&L crosses (five) and all have the short '1' type date.Comment
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I just knew I had asked this question before..
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Mine is magnetic. You may have either a tombak or zinc core. Yes, I have a nonmagnetic W&L EKI, early.Originally posted by Friedrich View Post
Thanks, Adrian.
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Thank you, Robert! For answering my questions both now and last fall..
Originally posted by robert pierce View PostMine is magnetic. You may have either a tombak or zinc core. Yes, I have a nonmagnetic W&L EKI, early.
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This is a thread I missed and posts disappear sometimes very quick from the front page . A very interesting part of the Juncker mistery are the cores . A project I have been working on as well for some time .
Because of the fine minor differences - regular pictures no longer can show these with enough clarity . Having such crosses at hand is a must . No other maker has crosses with so many different cores as Juncker does . This only adding even more to the already existing complexity regarding this peticular maker .
Robert has posted some of the cores we find on on the 3 flaw Juncker Frames .
I have taken some parts - one type only - from his chart and worked them into a more detailed - 2 main Juncker ' Tear Drop 9 ' core types . This will need to be done for the remaining ones too .
I have identified some of the cores posted , ... and as a surprize to most I can show that there are 2 different tear drop 9 cores ... and not one . The differences in numbers and their position are such that they cannot be attributed to wear or picture lighting .
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Good work Douglas,
I can see the difference between types. In-hand it is very, very obvious. Thus, we can 'up to this point' conclude that there were at least (2) teardrop core dies. Let's move on...
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Douglas, i can only agree with Robert! Louped my late arrived one and it is a dead match to the '2nd type teardrop core', down to the flaw on the ball of the last 9. The cross looks to be a pretty late war one, very sloppy soldering job, shiny paint and worn core die but the frame has the scrunched beading and i thought that was a sign of early to mid war? Need to study up on the different flaws found on the frames i think, all those different frames makes me dizzy.
Will get pics tomo and put in the Juncker pic database thread.Comment
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Doing some more comparing of dates I see differences in #'s 1 and 4 dates:
1. Tops of '1's are different,
2. Intersections of '1's and '9's is different,
3. Balls of '3' and '9's of #1 may be larger,
4. Tops of '9's are different,
5. Lower section of '1's (horizontal foot) is different. One is thicker than the
other.
These appear to be (2) different cores...
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The top of the 3 seams to be thicker on the Zinc core date . Some differences that might be do to wear or the strike on a soft zink ? Have to have a closer look .
Carl ; The Juncker frame dies had the 3 frame flaws more or less from day one . This one die was only touched up a few times . Re-worked dies are most likly re-worked W&L frames with mixed cores for Juncker . A multi arm project that is amazingly connected with various other makers . The W&L , 23 , K&Q and S&L will be their own seperate threads .
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Yes, I agree. The top of the '3' IS thicker. There's no doubt in my mind that this date (core) came from different dies. I'll be sure to say, "IMO". Thanks to everyone for their input on this thread. It's been good looking further into the characteristics of the Juncker cores. Thank you, Douglas, for identifying (2) different teardrop '9' cores. You're very alert. The more crosses we have to compare, the better. With every new cross comes more valuable information.Originally posted by Douglas 5 View PostComment
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Because of the veriety of cores used - a closer look at the cores found in the Juncker flawed frames had to be under taken - and this brought up the following combinations that have been found sofar . I would like to point out that the shown core types and or variations are accumilated over only a short time period of about a year - and represent the most common used cores . The shown core charts are not 100% complete , more are likely out there .
A first reference chart has been set up - here is where other members now have an opportunity to identify their own cores in such same frames more specificly and possibly find some still missing core types not shown here but most likely exist .
The main reason for this are the 3 W&L cores . One of the 2 W&Ls own cores I have identified to have been used in Juncker frames . The 2nd one is probably been used too . The 3rd core - as shown in the picture comparison below - displays S&L unique design feature characteristics and with great likelyhood originated from and supplied by them .
In the chart below another core identified C - referenced as Roberts 7 - being a W&L main core type 2 .
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