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    #226
    A faker makes simple mistakes like adding the black band.
    The black HB weave fabric found on the Mint Lorenzo helmet cover makes no sense at all as its a company level repair only carried out on used and damaged covers that had the fronts ripped through combat usage.
    This repair comes in many different fabrics but the use of modern binding gives it away clearly.But Fakers follow examples like the BE Jerome cover shown in the book looking to fool.
    The sewing style clearly follows the other PVL cover shown above.
    Its uncanny.

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      #227
      Originally posted by kammo man View Post
      A faker makes simple mistakes like adding the black band.
      The black HB weave fabric found on the Mint Lorenzo helmet cover makes no sense at all as its a company level repair only carried out on used and damaged covers that had the fronts ripped through combat usage.
      This repair comes in many different fabrics but the use of modern binding gives it away clearly.But Fakers follow examples like the BE Jerome cover shown in the book looking to fool.
      The sewing style clearly follows the other PVL cover shown above.
      Its uncanny.
      Yet another logical reason why I am even more suspect of the things.

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        #228
        Originally posted by kammo man View Post

        Just so no one forgets.....
        Here is a typical Lorenzo fake helmet cover.
        I have handled a oakleaf B cover and Zelt..
        the Zelt is much thicker and feels a different material..

        are the fake covers made from cut up zelts or has someone found real camo cover material?

        as if made from zelts should be easy to tell as its thicker.

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          #229
          All this stuff is made from Zelt fabric which is incorrect for these items.

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            #230
            Have followed this thread from A to soon Z

            At least, it isn't pink!

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              #231
              Originally posted by kammo man View Post
              A faker makes simple mistakes like adding the black band.
              The black HB weave fabric found on the Mint Lorenzo helmet cover makes no sense at all as its a company level repair only carried out on used and damaged covers that had the fronts ripped through combat usage.
              This repair comes in many different fabrics but the use of modern binding gives it away clearly.But Fakers follow examples like the BE Jerome cover shown in the book looking to fool.
              The sewing style clearly follows the other PVL cover shown above.
              Its uncanny.
              Beaver in his book "Camouflage Uniforms of the Waffen-SS" said this strip is a "manufacturer's variation" shown in period pictures on the pages 122 and 126

              On the page 119 Beaver said: "Material used in construction was the double-sided camouflage zeltabhn fabric"

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                #232
                Originally posted by kammo man View Post
                All this stuff is made from Zelt fabric which is incorrect for these items.
                in other words someone is cutting up good zelts to make fake covers?.....if so what a shame.............dave

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                  #233
                  Dave,
                  Thats been going on for decades.

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                    #234
                    i always knew there were fake covers and hats floating around,but to ruin a good piece of ss camo.........pathetic

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                      #235
                      Originally posted by dave peifer View Post
                      in other words someone is cutting up good zelts to make fake covers?.....if so what a shame.............dave
                      Several smocks, caps and helmet covers has been made after 45 with pre 45 cloth. A question of how much you can earn per sqaure foot for the fakers...

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                        #236
                        Originally posted by dave peifer View Post
                        i always knew there were fake covers and hats floating around,but to ruin a good piece of ss camo.........pathetic
                        Its been going on for, as kammo man said, quite literally decades- over half a century. Hardly much new. Additionally, many will use damages zelts, rather than new ones. But, when you think about it, zelts can be gotten for 1k (if damaged and a decent print). Make 2 or 3 covers, sell em as real, and it's pretty profitable for the faker- even if it is complete fraud.

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                          #237
                          Originally posted by 17thairborne View Post
                          yet another logical reason why i am even more suspect of the things.
                          100%.

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                            #238
                            Originally posted by kammo man View Post
                            All this stuff is made from Zelt fabric which is incorrect for these items.
                            Yes Just wanted to make sure i was right..
                            Zelt is much thicker and different.. I am no expert though..

                            I do wonder if proper helmet cover material was ever found and made into covers.

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                              #239
                              None that I have seen in 30 years.

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                                #240
                                Originally posted by dave peifer View Post
                                in other words someone is cutting up good zelts to make fake covers?.....if so what a shame.............dave


                                Shocking Original items being destroyed to make fakes, eventually this will also push up the prices of SS zelts

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