Research Soviet Film Studio Markings with regards to Pink Smocks

[NickG]

Guys back I have delivered the page to a photo of a camouflage blouse vaffen-ss. The fake also has a fake stamp never of the existing Soviet film studio and too 1947

Yes but that is a recent example of a made up film stamp on a fake dot M44, just like the recent examples of SS M43 caps with fake 'Statni Film' studio stamps.
Yes fakers jumped on this bandwagon to confuse collectors...
but the Pink smock stamps are from smocks found in circa 1981...So 36 years ago when this kind of fakery was just not done...
which is why these stamps were defaced and even removed from the pinks...did NOT add value...so why are they on these to begin with?
Why add and than remove (cut out) or smudge out?? (defaced) .It was done because these were disposed of illegally and they tried to cover their (origin) tracks!
Simple! I believe in these markings which is why they appear in original material as well as we have documented. (M44 dot pants, B.Shea German made smock etc...)

[NickG]

Let's repeat here...as a refresher and for those new to this topic!

[Gaspare]

Wow, hope the fate of these don't rest on a few $18. stamps the counterfeiters have bins full of,, both original and copies...

Some type of documentation is the only hope for these things to ever be proven wartime pieces...

[nutmeg]

Wow, hope the fate of these don't rest on a few $18. stamps the counterfeiters have bins full of,, both original and copies...

Some type of documentation is the only hope for these things to ever be proven wartime pieces...

Like it or not the stamps in pinks and originals date back 37 years before some here may have been born.

[RobertE]

That was my question a few pages back - but Jeff responded a couple of pages back. The oakleaf pattern is still correct on the Norwegian parkas (which was my thought from the existing threads). It does not have the wrong pattern and added segment the pink smocks do. (Jeff, if I surmised wrong, please correct.)

According to a Norwegian collector who owns a large segment of this fabric and has studied these parkas, the fabric is not the same. As previously posted:

"I can inform you as in previous threads that these parkas were made by locally made SS camo cloth, probably here in Norway as bekleidungswerk Nord, this camo cloth differed from the German in both length and width if you compare with German standard.

The pattern of Oakleaf differs slightly, also the cloth itself as the Norwegian late war cloth has a poor quality compared to early German specification of cloth made for Zelts and Smocks.

I have also examined the Norwegian parkas and compared them to German produced SS fabric - it is different in appearance in hand.

s/f Robert

[phild]

Some type of documentation is the only hope for these things to ever be proven wartime pieces...

Perhaps, but the other aspect of these is there is nothing about them that points to their being fake. No real uniform will ever be proven original by a period photo or period document. Now they can be and are supported by such, I recognize that.


As for the stamps, it’s a safe bet that the ones inside these smocks are not fake because the like stamps in the non disputed items did not surface for almost 30 years after the smocks did! At least publicly posted. Understanding the timeline is very important to understanding what one is seeing here.

[Jeff V]

According to a Norwegian collector who owns a large segment of this fabric and has studied these parkas, the fabric is not the same. As previously posted:

"I can inform you as in previous threads that these parkas were made by locally made SS camo cloth, probably here in Norway as bekleidungswerk Nord, this camo cloth differed from the German in both length and width if you compare with German standard.

The pattern of Oakleaf differs slightly, also the cloth itself as the Norwegian late war cloth has a poor quality compared to early German specification of cloth made for Zelts and Smocks.

I have also examined the Norwegian parkas and compared them to German produced SS fabric - it is different in appearance in hand.

s/f Robert

You are picking and choosing here Robert. You know well that member Hilton has said the norwegian cloth was not manufactured in Norway. Anyway, the pattern is fitted to the different roller size, the pattern remains the same. No made up section.

[kammo man]

Yes but that is a recent example of a made up film stamp on a fake dot M44, just like the recent examples of SS M43 caps with fake 'Statni Film' studio stamps.

Yes fakers jumped on this bandwagon to confuse collectors...

but the Pink smock stamps are from smocks found in circa 1981...So 36 years ago when this kind of fakery was just not done...

which is why these stamps were defaced and even removed from the pinks...did NOT add value...so why are they on these to begin with?

Why add and than remove (cut out) or smudge out?? (defaced) .It was done because these were disposed of illegally and they tried to cover their (origin) tracks!

Simple! I believe in these markings which is why they appear in original material as well as we have documented. (M44 dot pants, B.Shea German made smock etc...)

Here’s a 1969 printing addressing the state of the hobby and it’s very deep level of faking that was shaking the then massive demand for all things nazi

To think that the capacity for the fake Pink jacket to be manufactured abroad by a competent dealer is quite real because the collector wants to believe in the story and get the item



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[nutmeg]

My guess is this is slanted towards medals and daggers which were the more sought after collectibles in 1969.

[kammo man]

I stepped away from this thread for a week to do family stuff and clean up my house library for the new year and found these booklets in another book as book marks
They are sage advice written by a smart guy
You can learn from these that the faking business was very very very very real
Something the believers need to accept

The thread after being away is pretty sad with smart guys defending an obviously bad item and refusing to accept original items as benchmark pieces




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[kammo man]

No Don it gets to uniforms


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[kammo man]

So the pinks came out 10 years after this booklet
You all need to wake up and think about the state of the hobby and the demand of Collectors interests shifting

But can you actually think like that anymore


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