Originally posted by Mike Davis
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Just to clarify, numbered badges, in fact almost all badges, are one of the most easy and safe things to collect in the hobby. Due to the free sharing of information fakes are easily spotted and any collector who arms himself with one of the excellent new badge books can buy with confidence.Looking for a 30 '06 Chauchat magazine. -
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Yes, you do but probably won't, or can't. You could start with this, posted in response to my last posting and agreeing these questions remain unanswered:Originally posted by kammo man View Post
"Some have alluded to Lorenzo being the fall guy in all of this and that might indeed be the case. However, it begs these questions;
1/ What did he know when he represented the covers and caps in the deals like those in Sweden ?
2/ Who are the masterminds and actual fakers ?
3/ Also lets not leave Disco Partisan (if that is who he actually is ?) protest out of the mix, are we certain the covers/ caps are fake ?"
My questions address the information presented, and yours attacks my intellect. I do think THAT says it all, and wraps this thread up nicely.
regards, RobertComment
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Robert
Have you actually handled one of Lorenzo's covers ?
Have you met him ?
Has any of your friends been victims of his con game ?Comment
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I've been reading this long thread with a lot of interest but it seems like the whole thread is going in circles without any definite answers to some questions.
The proof of Lorenzo's covers being fake is without doubt after endless reading here on the WAF. However, Robert's questions are still unanswered and it seems no answers will come to these questions because every question is answered with a return question. I just wonder why? Perhaps because there's no proof to these accusations? As long as people stay shut and don't come with answers I think it's better to close this thread since there's no more new results or information being presented.
And for the record, I don't know any of the involved people. I just followed this thread because of interest in these covers. I am also not defending Lorenzo since it's proven that his covers are fake. I just wonder why no answers are given to the other questions.Comment
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As long as people who could give answers to these questions see no benefit for themselves in doing so they will certainly keep their mouths shut.Originally posted by Marcel Banziger View PostComment
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No, but they have been taken by other cons, as we all have. And by sums at least as large as we are talking here.Originally posted by kammo man View Post
regards, RobertComment
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Lorenzo in person offered me a choice of his fake covers at the SOS from a bag he was carrying
What more is there to add ?
He pushed his bad covers on to other members here
What more is there to add?Comment
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The question was where is the proof that Lorenzo is the maker of these covers? It is clear now that Lorenzo was selling fake covers. Many others have been selling fake items to members here as well.Originally posted by kammo man View Post
Don't get me wrong, intentionally selling fakes should mean deletion from the forum immediately. Just that one question that keeps coming back but remains unanswered; is he also the maker of these fakes?Comment
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You mean did Lorenzo sew them personally or did he have a little elf in the seller making them ?Comment
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The question was very clear...and asked several times before by other members without ever being answered. Smart-ass comments don't bring this thread any further. Reason why I said before it's best to just close this thread since there's no more progression when people stay shut.Originally posted by leib1 View PostComment
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Interesting question IMO, is the conclusion that this Lorezo makes these items himself, sat at the sewing machine, or is there a cottage industry gong onOriginally posted by leib1 View Post
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As I stated earlier I heard a while ago that at least some UK dealers were well aware of these covers and liquidated their stocks .... like an expensive game of Musical Chairs ... no-one wants to be left with a questionable cover when the penny finally drops and the market for SS covers goes with it.Originally posted by Jack D. View PostAfter the posting of this thread and the information contained within, IMHO, SS camo helmets covers now have little to no value, ORIGINAL or FAKE. Please keep in mind, hard core collectors are only interested in historic accuracy and NOT monetary value. The search for the truth is what this is about!
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And no one seems to know, although all through this thread the accusation stands that he made them. Since Lorenzo is accused of making them, did he?Originally posted by Marcel Banziger View Post
And more importantly: Did Lorenzo wittingly make and then sell to dealers and collectors headgear that he knew was reproduction? There is no evidence this occurred in this thread, just accusations of same.
Assuming he did make them, were they produced and declared to be reproductions? Because several collectors who DID meet Lorenzo and DID see his items for sale were told by Lorenzo that they were reproductions, and he readily stated he made them.
As stated by other forum members, many, many dealers and collectors got their hands dirty selling bad items, and most of them are not evil men - they just got stuck with a bad item and sold or traded it without even knowing it was bad. I may not know Lorenzo, but I certainly know my share of cheats and rip-offs I've had the misfortune of meeting along the way, but I also have evidence of their misdeeds and intent to deceive.
s/f RobertComment
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Think of the covers as Lorenzo's personal brand of helmet cover.
Only he knows where or who made them.Comment
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