SS Adjutant Aiguillette

[Sharkey1807]

The runes would be an integral part of the silicon mold, and there would no need to add the runes as a separate piece. Am I correct? I know so little about these things. I am in the dark!

Confused, please help.

Gary,
This is the point.
The runes are an integral part.

I don't know what your jeweler has seen.
Most likely he had seen something like a soldering, but i'm pretty sure from the same bronze like the whole piece.
Because silicon runs in any corner and crevas it also shows in the cast a soldering when there was one at the piece from were the mould was created from.

As a matter of fact, any soldering must be from another material then the pin and runes.
The soldering material needs a lower melting temperature then bronze. Otherwise the runes out of that thinn bronze sheetmetal would melt too during heating up.

I dont have your piece in hand, but trought the way it looks i would bed all is casted as one piece.
Therefore i doubt is fabricated periodic.

[Sharkey1807]

That's already the best thread of 2015. You two should ride a book "from fake to good". It's already close to a Roman anyhow. But I doubt any will publish this wired book.

Robert,
If you read close to my technical questions, answers and explanations you would know to which conclusion i came.

This piece for me doesn't look as period made.
Too many technical issues which don't match.

[AJ]

With the tux the regular army double braid was in use with regular army tips (according the regulation to the wearing of the Gesellschaftsanzug). No regulation, as far as I know, will mention the runed tips. If someone has orders otherwise, then please show. I am always willing to learn! But state it and do not say "I have heard". The shown braid does not prove a thing!
Show actual photos where the double braid aiguillette actually is being worn by the SS (Allgemeine, SS-TV , SS-VT or Waffen-SS). I have not found any when I researched for my aiguillette-book.

Just to get things straight, are you indicating that there never existed a specific SS aiguillette?

[Robert H]

Aren't all those Aguilettes brought out or made from Caravano? I think so. Same with the whitles in blk cord with RZM paper. They are wide spread out over all the last 15 years or so. I handled the exact Aguilette back beginning of 2000, well examed and also returned to the seller same evening or purchase day. Only a view I know have an original one and even don't need 5 fingers to count them, same with the first pattern where I gladly own one example. Also note not only the pips are copy also the cloth material.

[John Pic]

All this time to discuss this fake. It was called out in the first couple posts.

[Sharkey1807]

Very hostile section of WAF here in the SS forum.
Aside Mr.Saris not many gave explanations why probably that piece isn't original.
To say to somebody who spent a lot of money jusy he has a fake does to me not look very convincing.
I think everbody would try to grab and hope in the last strawstick that his piece is real.

As anyway i don't collect SS i will in the future move around this forum section.

Simply to unfriendly for my taste.

[wilhelm Saris]

Very hostile section of WAF here in the SS forum.
I think everbody would try to grab and hope in the last strawstick that his piece is real.

Not only at this SS forum, but also at other forums from WAF there are such hostile postings. The one or the other post their so-called "original" stuff to have it stated as such, but it is fake and that they will never accept that. Money is the basic of all trouble. All over and again!
For the future good willing friends: as soon as a thread or post starts to get unfriendly or hostile I will back-off and will no longer take part in such discussion(s) that do not make any sense and do lead to nothing. There are better and more friendly forums around.

[Gary Symonds]

Not only at this SS forum, but also at other forums from WAF there are such hostile postings. The one or the other post their so-called "original" stuff to have it stated as such, but it is fake and that they will never accept that. Money is the basic of all trouble. All over and again!
For the future good willing friends: as soon as a thread or post starts to get unfriendly or hostile I will back-off and will no longer take part in such discussion(s) that do not make any sense and do lead to nothing. There are better and more friendly forums around.

Wilhelm. in your PM to me, you asserted facts, which raises doubt about my SS aiguillette. Had these facts been posted at the beginning of the thread, things would not have gotten out of hand.

It has not been q question of money. It is a question of proof. All I sought was some evidentiary support for the claims of reproduction. Not just a statement that a piece is a reproduction, and leaving it at that.

That does not help the membership in the learning process, we all desire.

[John Pic]

Facts like it's poorly cast seam line isn't correct..or runes should be separate . I have read some of your past threads and you post fakes debate the people of knowledge and then still end up with a fake.

I would suggest to those who feel it hostile and who absolutely feel they have original material not to post the question or just handle it privately,

[derek]

"Wilhelm. in your PM to me, you asserted facts, which raises doubt about my SS aiguillette. Had these facts been posted at the beginning of the thread, things would not have gotten out of hand."
What's your problem now? Wim didn't post fast enough? No wonder he feels the atmosphere here is aggressive.
Derek

[blitzkrieg gsd]

Facts like it's poorly cast seam line isn't correct..or runes should be separate . I have read some of your past threads and you post fakes debate the people of knowledge and then still end up with a fake.

I would suggest to those who feel it hostile and who absolutely feel they have original material not to post the question or just handle it privately,

Amen.....

[wilhelm Saris]

Amen.....

agree!!!

[prowler88]

SS "A.H." Adjutant

[Ian Hulley]

SS "A.H." Adjutant

Is the photo named to a 'LAH' officer ... because I see nothing there to say he is ? No cyphers on the shoulder straps.

Cheers, Ian.

[prowler88]

But earlier this guy precisely served in LAH..