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    I've owned over 50 rings, and carefully studied them all carefully before and after buying them, which gives me a bit of credibility, I should think. However, If you read my book, I explicitly state that TK research is a work in process, and I am but the next stone-layer in the pathway toward future work. I explicitly stated that TK ring research is NOT rocket science, and anyone who wants to study TK rings need only have an original or two to compare, a strong loupe, and a sharp mind. I stand by that statement, and do NOT hold myself up to be some "replacement Don" - I don't have any wish to charge $250 for certificates, and control the market. Studying a ring from "okay" photos IS difficult if not impossible, which is I believe,the source of a lot of confusion on forums.

    For these reasons, if someone wants me to write a letter on a ring, I am happy to do it for $100 including express mail postage and insurance - with just enough left over to cover the hour or so I spend researching the ring, studying it, taking photos, and writing a letter, and talking about it on the phone. I also arrange research through Mike Constandy so that the owner can pursue this research if he wants to. I'll never make money on my book through COAs with this schedule of fees, and book sales pay about $2 per book sold, and given my hundreds of hours of work producing it, my daily rate works out to be a couple bucks an hour. I would make more as a porn star (not much).

    Regarding what Jeff states was "clear" was going on with Don, we really don't need him to reply here (although it certainly would be nice), as his COA for this set is the only reply I need to know what he was probably trying to do. Poor quality reproduction? Ring missing the flaws? Come on. Remember, it's not rocket science. Still, I give him the benefit of the doubt, and would love to hear his explanation for the COA.

    I am still planning on bringing not only the Klohn ring and box to the MAX, but also another box that HAS a Don Boyle certificate, that is also a striped box. I have this being mailed to me from Europe. These two boxes, plus the Teply box, should be available at my table for study (I say should, because with respect, I have not asked Larry if he wishes me to display his box, make it available for careful study, or restrict my use to taking photographs). It's his item, and he is graciously lending it for the project.
    Last edited by Craig Gottlieb; 08-31-2010, 08:43 AM.

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      It would be great if you would be able to upload pics of that box from Europe that comes with a Don Boyle COA.

      I can imagine that these boxes came from the same company that made the presentation boxes for Allach porcelain.

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        Thorsten: I will do so when it comes in. And, I think you MAY have something there, regarding the ring boxes. It just MIGHT make sense, since Allach is close to Munich, and Gahr was in Munich, and both the Allach and rings were SS related. I would really love to explore this further.

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          Because the usual suspects can't resist turning these threads into a vendetta, I have no desire to enter the fray.If you have negative things to say about Craig, please start a thread in another forum.

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            Another 44 ring for comparison: http://www.relicsofthereich.com/shop/shop.php
            "Wir Deutschen fürchten Gott und sonst nichts auf der Welt " BISMARCK

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              I can't find the ring following the link.

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                Originally posted by Craig Gottlieb View Post
                I can't find the ring following the link.
                SS TOTENKOPF HONOUR RING - ID'D.
                This superb example of a 1944 SS Honour Ring - Totenkopf Ring to SS Officer Hofmann - appeared at a small German auction last week at which we were successfull.

                The Ring was consigned by the Family of the original Officer. Subsequent Information from the family was that he was was an SS-Hauptsturmführer in SS-Panzer grenadier regiment 38,17th SS Panzergrenadier division „Götz von Berlichingen“ and was the Regiments ordanance officer

                The ring was awarded on 20th April 1944 and has remained in near mint condition. It exhibits virtually no wear and has all the original jeweller finish & dark burnishing remaining to the leaves and runes.

                Inside the engraving is clear and not at all worn down. There is a line to the right of the original join line behind the skull -Examing the ring I believe this is a deep scratch and NOT a resize join, as the line does not continue over the top or bottom of the ring surface and is certainly not a straight cut as would be normal - nor is there any inconsistency in the S in SL as would occur if this was cut and soldered at that point and for sure no solder residue !! see pic. The ring is a fairly small size.

                Regardless this is a near perfect example worthy of furthur research into the Waffen SS combat Officer who wore this ring.

                Any test or expertise welcome - this one is 100% real and the auction provenance will be made available to any buyer.


                http://www.relicsofthereich.com/shop...h=2718&phqu=10

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                  Thanks - I couldn't get it to load. I agree that the ring is not resized. Great pictures, by the way. I really wish I'd been around in Germany in the 80s when it was still possible to interview SS Officers. Would love to have picked their brain on the subject of rings.

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                    I wonder if the company that made the ring boxes for Gahr also made the little red boxes for the Gahr SS - Zivilabzeichen?

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                      Can you post a photo? It certainly seems logical.

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                        Gahr SS-Zivilabzeichen box.
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                            Originally posted by Craig Gottlieb View Post
                            I can't find the ring following the link.
                            See here http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=460473

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                              why is the engraving in such different styles ?

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                                I would say that while it's possible the boxes were made by the same firm, it seems to be an entirely different product line, with the Zivilabseichen box a nicer product.

                                Regarding engraving, there were different engravers that worked on rings, each with their own handwriting, so to speak. I've never taken the time to count them all, but I've seen several styles inside of one year before.

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