SS labcoat

[Waffenreich]

Yes it is.

Is the coat that started this thread the same coat that you purchased at the Kassel show?





Glenn

[Panzer Rob]

I think if you read my posts you will be able to answer your own questions.

I did read your posts, but I'm unclear as to exactly what transpired, and when, hence my questions:



Did the coat have a tag on it when you bought it? If yes, then it had to have been one of the tags that you originally bought on the strip, yes? What happened to the coat? Who did you sell it to? Can anyone tell us who consigned it through Oakleaf?


Just trying to make sure I've got all the facts straight. That's all.
Rob

[Glenn McInnes]

Yes, there is only one to my knowledge.

Ah,finally some clear answers....Was the tag in the coat when you purchased it?









Glenn

[PMan]

Coat

I did read your posts, but I'm unclear as to exactly what transpired, and when, hence my questions:



Did the coat have a tag on it when you bought it? What happened to the coat? Who did you sell it to? Can anyone tell us who consigned it through Oakleaf?


That's all.
Rob

Yes, the tag was there, no doubt. Rob, I am sorry, but the issue of the sale is between myself and the buyer. As to the consigner, that is none of my business or concern.

[Panzer Rob]

Yes, the tag was there, no doubt. Rob, I am sorry, but the issue of the sale is between myself and the buyer. As to the consigner, that is none of my business or concern.

Peter- thanks for clearing that up for me. And I totally understand about the privacy concerning the deal...

Thanks,
Rob

[NTZ]

So these tags were purchased by you from a member here, then sold by you to someone at the MAX, and then ended up added to a fake jacket on a dealers website who is in Chicago.


Care to spill the beans as to whom bought them from you? You are in the Chicago area as well, right?



Glenn

Manzie every time there is a ball bust on Oakleaf somehow you end up in the story (or at least come to the defense). I see a pattern. Here is a little story I tell about how I got good at spotting rebuilt visors (pat on back). I learned from a Chicago dealer who fronted them in the 80’s and 90’s. He was good friends with my uncle. No he is not an internet dealer but the point is I heard all the stories of the Chicago good old boys network and how it worked ( I wish I could remember all the names) . To think anyone would wonder why I bust balls on the Chicago folks. Good thread.

[NTZ]

I was approached about 2 minutes after I purchased the tags. The new buyer must have observed me buying them, like he missed out. I made $150 on the transaction and did not know the person or if he was a forum member. I am also responsible for bringing the coat back from Germany 2 months later. It was purchased in Kassel. I was intrigued by the tag again and thought it was perfectly normal to find such an item in Germany. I wanted to believe in it. Also, I have not verified that the tag in the coat is one of the 4. I am assuming this is correct.

Oh sh$t this is getting good. Let’s see it was bough in Germany with the tag, the same one you bought at the MAX and mysteriously sold hrs later. God damn this is good. You made my night. You must be his advisor on visors as well.

[Bob Coleman]

Nick-
What is the painting everyone from Chicago who collects with the same broad brush of distrust. I lived in the area for many years. Who is included in your theory? It is wrong and inaccurate to put a pile of stink on anyone who collects and is from theChicago area. Who is your nameless source? Name names or retreat and take back some of the things you said. I resent being put in a position to explain when I have nothing to explain.

[Dennis S]

There is only one honorable way out someone needs to buy one of those SS cyanide capsules............................



It could be put it in the pocket of the lab coat.

[Vid]

Yes, the tag was there, no doubt. Rob, I am sorry, but the issue of the sale is between myself and the buyer. As to the consigner, that is none of my business or concern.

Peter,

What do you mean not your business as to the consignor? You said you bought the coat back from Kassel with the tag in it yourself. You defended it in the beginning of the thread, if your not the consignor then you sold it and it ended up consigned on Oakleaf from your buyer??.

You are consistently defending pieces on the Oak Leaf website, and it looks like your the consignor defending your own item and you bought the strip of tags as well. So now the defense from two seperate dealers with a questionable item is "I bought it twice" before and after alteration.

The more you talk the less sense you make. That's your lab coat on Kristian's site, yes??. You bought it back from Kassel. Or did you bring it back from Kassel and sell it and the buyer turned it for consignment over to Kristian where you came to its defense??. Why do you keep defending Oak leafs items? and how many are yours??.

Whats the deal here?

[Vid]

At this point, all we need in this thread are peasants with torches and Castle Frankenstein in the background.

Bob,

No disrespect but this is the kind of statement that drives a wedge between the collectors and the dealer/authorities. Are you implying that because there is a really screwed up deal and people see it that everyone is a mindless twit and all the twits gather together in some kind of frenzy to get their witch?. Because that is what your saying.

Do you see this deal?? Look at it.

Guy buys labels? why?. Turns them for a profit of 150.00 immediately for labels, pretty expensive labels. Then he travels to Germany and buys a lab coat with one of the labels that he flipped and bought it home. Then it shows up on the dealer site that he trumpets. When its questioned the photo's of the labels get posted and there is a match to the 3rd label in the strip.

Then the same guy who consistently comes to the aid of the dealer in Chicago comes in to defend a lab coat bearing one of the exact labels in the strip he initially purchased but sold minutes later. So? who owns the lab coat and how does it end up on Oak Leaf?? Its either on consignment from Peter or it was sold and the buyer consigned it to Oak Leaf. See a pattern here?? I do!! its Oak leaf and Kristian Anderson, Peter Manzie and Chicago. If you want to go to Chicago its no problem, but not yet.

What you are saying is because people are looking at this that they are a foolish and a mindless group of witch hunters. This fuels the divide and causes people to look even harder at the actual deal. And the deal and the story stinks to high heaven.

I do not like your analogy and think its disrespectful and insults the intelligence of the collector. And so does this deal as it clearly looks like these tags were used to make a fraudulent item and market it for 3500.00. Problem is the guy defending it bought the tags and the coat and made no mention that he owned it while defending it. Screw that.

No disrespect here Bob, this deal is bad.

[Vid]

Its past dodgy, its downright screwed up.

Keep talking Peter and send your guys in to help you here, and I promise you more than you ever bargained for.

You have my word on that.

Later,

Kris

[PMan]

Coat

If you read my posts #5,#10, #14, #18, #21 you will see that I have never defended the coat. If you can find any statement in those posts where I make a direct defensive statement toward the coat, please let me/us know. I will not deny that I have defended items from Oakleaf in the past as I have seen many of them first hand. So what! As far as my description of what took place with the lab coat, I am sorry it doesn't satisfy you. I didn't have to devulge as much information as I did, but I did it anyway. Unfortunately, I have nothing more to add to this matter or I would. Finally, if I didn't make it clear earlier, I am not the consignor and I have no (zero) items on consignment with Oakleaf. I have never consigned an item there or with any internet dealer except for the Collectors Guild.
Peter

[jacquesf]

There are two gaps in the history of the coat. Firstly, Between when the tags were sold at the Max and the coat was found with the tag in Germany and secondly after Peter brought the coat back and it ended up on Oakleave Militaria? So we are looking for one or two individuals, the sewer and the consignor. Jacques

[Vid]

If you read my posts #5,#10, #14, #18, #21 you will see that I have never defended the coat. If you can find any statement in those posts where I make a direct defensive statement toward the coat, please let me/us know. I will not deny that I have defended items from Oakleaf in the past as I have seen many of them first hand. So what! As far as my description of what took place with the lab coat, I am sorry it doesn't satisfy you. I didn't have to devulge as much information as I did, but I did it anyway. Unfortunately, I have nothing more to add to this matter or I would. Finally, if I didn't make it clear earlier, I am not the consignor and I have no (zero) items on consignment with Oakleaf. I have never consigned an item there or with any internet dealer except for the Collectors Guild.
Peter

Peter,

You defended the coat by non-disclosure, you said nothing and when compared to previous posts said everything. You essentially hid your interest and it is quite clear. That is a defense.

By saying little you said everything, I see what you did, you played the thread, the photo, and you played Hassler.

Either way? you bought the tags, you bought the coat, and no matter who the consignor is? he is consigned with Kristian at Oak Leaf. And you clearly defend him and his site at every opportunity and his items. I have your posts and your words you clearly avoided disclosure and you were flat out nailed as the buyer of the tags.

I look at this kind of thing and just flip out, I do not like it at all. I will give you very little here, and your getting that because I do not know you. But the deal speaks for itself.

You know the vendor, the coat, the tags and you bought all three and said nothing. People are not stupid, You endorsed Hassler's photo as evidence of originality, he posted in good faith. You never stated your interest, and you have several avenues of interest.

Not only is this deal an ethical nightmare at the very least, you used Hassler and his photo to state or lend creedence to the existence of such a piece. All the while you had all the components to the fraudulent piece and the venue to market it.

You ran loose because you thought you could and you got nailed, at least that is what it looks like now. Times are changing and people will not skate away like before.

K