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THAT's a nice one!Comment
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I got lost on who was calling whos posters fake? lol
Are you saying the two that I posted are not real? Because if you are then I need to hear your arguement as to why because Ive spent half my life chasing posters.
MatthewComment
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For starters I believe the GESTAPO poster to be a post 1945 fabrication.
I have seen only a few of these and all look dodgy.
Both the normal and military Polizei of course advertised for recruitment, however the Geheime Staatspolizei were the secret police and would not essentially be advertising but rather recruiting from within.
The two pieces you have posted do not look to be like any poster known, rather combinations of other imagery and text, i.e. from an artists postcard such as Willrich or similar and flogged off as originals.
Others may have more information, however if I wouldnt take a chance on either of these if they were on the market.
Originally posted by MatthewJ View PostComment
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Max.
Thanks. I know what the Gestapo was, but thanks for the history refresher. Let me ask you an obvious question...just to ask....would there be an RZM Sticker attached to these posters if they were authentic?
Second, the poster that says "Gestapo" was a psyops poster created by the propaganda arm of the political arm of the NSDAP to remind both citizens of Germany and occupying countries that the Gestapo was always around, always listening.
The other poster IS a recruiting poster for wermacht in danish territory and since you dont read or understand German much less gothic German, the translation of what is written at the bottom is "what is offered shall be returned, awake to the reallity as its more clear." Obviously, referring to the occupation forces and that German occupation is a positive for them and not a negative.
All of the posters have at the bottom if anyone can read it.
Verlag Neue Graphische Gesellschaft m. b. h. Berlin-Dresden Welz Tiefdruck A-47
Which is all identification of the company that made these types of posters DURING the war and a simple google search will educate you of that fact.
I'll post another one in a day or so which is a great Abwehr recruiting poster.
Happy times
MJ
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No skin off my nose if you want to live with fake posters.
By the way if you get an opinion that you dont necessarily like it would be best not to snap back at the bearer of bad news, as if somehow its his fault you outlayed hundreds of dollars on $h!tty fakes.
You will realise that you wont get much help from others here if you dont want to listen and are rude.
But then a simple Google search would educate you of that fact.......
Originally posted by MatthewJ View PostMax.
Thanks. I know what the Gestapo was, but thanks for the history refresher. Let me ask you an obvious question...just to ask....would there be an RZM Sticker attached to these posters if they were authentic?
Second, the poster that says "Gestapo" was a psyops poster created by the propaganda arm of the political arm of the NSDAP to remind both citizens of Germany and occupying countries that the Gestapo was always around, always listening.
The other poster IS a recruiting poster for wermacht in danish territory and since you dont read or understand German much less gothic German, the translation of what is written at the bottom is "what is offered shall be returned, awake to the reallity as its more clear." Obviously, referring to the occupation forces and that German occupation is a positive for them and not a negative.
All of the posters have at the bottom if anyone can read it.
Verlag Neue Graphische Gesellschaft m. b. h. Berlin-Dresden Welz Tiefdruck A-47
Which is all identification of the company that made these types of posters DURING the war and a simple google search will educate you of that fact.
I'll post another one in a day or so which is a great Abwehr recruiting poster.
Happy times
MJLast edited by Max Wünsche; 07-17-2012, 04:50 AM.Comment
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Hi,
Matthew, your two posters are posters or postcards sized ?
- for the Gestapo one, this is clearly a fake :
* it reminds me of post-war artist creation, do you ever think that such an ugly poster was made during the 3rd Reich ?
* your version seemed to be a copy... of the "original" poster (check below)
* i can't imagine an official poster for such a "secret unit" as the Gestapo, which was part of the SIPO unit (and SIPO-SD in occupied Europe). Even more the eagle is "censored", the cap is similar to WWI design with the national unit (when it should be a Totenkopf), and the rank are also false...
* all the police posters are usually well known (check on the web)
* the signature of the creator can be identified, anyone on that one ? The problem is that this poster is on the Librairy Of Congress, but i'm pretty sure it is a post-war (can we read "44" under the signature ?) poster from a french designer. On the LOC it is listed as "M. Virlier", but it may be infact "M. Vivier" ?I was unable to find more infos on that guy, but maybe other french guys know more about him ? Was it done after most of the liberation of France (1944) ? This is clearly not a 1933 poster as stated in the LOC...
- the "Abwehr" (minister of propaganda) was making posters like "Populations abandonnées, faites confiance au soldat allemand" to increase the trust in the german soldier on occupied territories, not the contrary...
- the other one is just a possible postcard or a wood lithography that was over-sized. i don't remember the name of the guy how did it, but this is clearly a post war poster too.
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VinceComment
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It's a well known woodcut made by von Sluytermann.Originally posted by FrenchVolunteer View Post
Never seen them as posters during WWII, just postcards and small prints, mainly for office\house display.Comment
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I think it is 'SS' under the signature and not '44'.
Which is yet another red flag... I have only seen certain SS Kriegsberichter sketches use the siegrunen along with their signatures.
He is adamant that these are original and yet says that he has been collecting posters half his life! Go figure.
Originally posted by FrenchVolunteer View PostHi,
Matthew, your two posters are posters or postcards sized ?
- for the Gestapo one, this is clearly a fake :
* it reminds me of post-war artist creation, do you ever think that such an ugly poster was made during the 3rd Reich ?
* your version seemed to be a copy... of the "original" poster (check below)
* i can't imagine an official poster for such a "secret unit" as the Gestapo, which was part of the SIPO unit (and SIPO-SD in occupied Europe). Even more the eagle is "censored", the cap is similar to WWI design with the national unit (when it should be a Totenkopf), and the rank are also false...
* all the police posters are usually well known (check on the web)
* the signature of the creator can be identified, anyone on that one ? The problem is that this poster is on the Librairy Of Congress, but i'm pretty sure it is a post-war (can we read "44" under the signature ?) poster from a french designer. On the LOC it is listed as "M. Virlier", but it may be infact "M. Vivier" ?I was unable to find more infos on that guy, but maybe other french guys know more about him ? Was it done after most of the liberation of France (1944) ? This is clearly not a 1933 poster as stated in the LOC...
- the "Abwehr" (minister of propaganda) was making posters like "Populations abandonnées, faites confiance au soldat allemand" to increase the trust in the german soldier on occupied territories, not the contrary...
- the other one is just a possible postcard or a wood lithography that was over-sized. i don't remember the name of the guy how did it, but this is clearly a post war poster too.
See You
VinceComment
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Thats it, and yes I have only seen postcard versions too.
Sluyterman von Landeweyde: “The God who made iron wants no slaves.”
Originally posted by T.K. View PostLast edited by Max Wünsche; 07-17-2012, 06:14 AM.Comment
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Small prints (of the whole serie) too.Originally posted by Max Wünsche View PostThat it, and yes I have only seen postcard versions too.
Sluyterman von Landeweyde: “The God who made iron wants no slaves.”
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Hi,
yes, Sluyterman von Landeweyde. I'm always unable to remind me his name...
Thanks Tony to confirm that small lithographies exist.
Of course i was speaking of the version poster by Matthew, which is post-war printed (not the same size as for the "'real" lithographies).
The website of Harm Wulf :
http://stromerhannes.thule-italia.org/
I will check if i can find a "Verlier/Vervier" in the french SS-PK units...
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VinceComment
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wow MatthewJ you really shot the messenger hereComment
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