WSS officer or not

[Dennis S]

photo of dagger hanger slot

[Dennis S]

photo of outside of dagger slot and hip pocket

[Dennis S]

Closeup of underlay of collar.

[Dennis S]

Collar and hook devices

[Dennis S]

Back of collar

[Dennis S]

Gerd (willysproject) advised me that this maker contracted many NSB tunics and did prison time after the war for the same,
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[juoneen]

Do you mind a shot of the eagle ?

[phild]

I'll say again what a great tunic.

I've been studying these or at least trying to for about 25 years. I've reached a point that I can say that at least IMO these were the finest made and most perhaps interesting officer tunic types of the period.

These can be found as both converted from existing Dutch Officer tunics and new made incorporating more or less Dutch officer tunic characteristics.

I have also found enough evidence of the use of these by SS officers to say that IMO they merit a category of their own as an SS officers tunic sub-variation.

[willysproject]

Hi Dennis,

Great pics! Thanks for posting.
Re the maker: actually I was referring to another maker, Gebr. Bishoff. (The Bishoff Brothers)

Kind regards,
Gerd V

Gerd (willysproject) advised me that this maker contracted many NSB tunics and did prison time after the war for the same,
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[Dennis S]

Do you mind a shot of the eagle ?

In my opinion the eagle is bad and was not on the stripped tunic when picked up. It was added later.If you still want to see it , let me know. I saw a similar one posted and no one was thrilled with it. I would like to add this one is a carbon copy of the one posted . That leads me to believe it more than likely is a fake, since they are annomolies in manufacture to originals of that type.

I do post another question. On Dutch made SS Officers tunics is there any particular style of eagle used by the Tailors (ie) German or Dutch made?EM or Officer? Bevo or embroidered? or even Army(Heer)?

[phild]

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I do post another question. On Dutch made SS Officers tunics is there any particular style of eagle used by the Tailors (ie) German or Dutch made?EM or Officer? Bevo or embroidered? or even Army(Heer)?[/quote]

IMO there is not. The entire range of possible insignia can be found. There are not a huge number of these types of tunics around to back up a lot of rules on these.

I know that some were made by the modification of existing Dutch officer tunics and these can be seen in a number of WWII W-SS photos and I know some (like the one posted) were made from Dutch materials in NL and show some Dutch characteristics of fabrication....but made to a standard German pattern. I think that in both cases the customer/officer provided the insignia that he wanted on the tunic.

[Dennis S]

Thanks

[NickG]

Here's a SiPo (Sicherheitsdienst SS) overcoat which was liberated by my brother's father-in-law in Den Haag (The Hague) Holland. It has no tailor tag but most likely also locally produced, so Dutch tailored and made in the same Dutch material, same color (fine trikot ribbed wool). The overcoat comes with its original SD-SiPo (SS style) shoulderboards and loose cuff title. Along with the coat came a visor cap which unfortunately disappeared shortly after the war.... but also in the "group" some SD letterhead from Den Haag, most likely taken from the same office in 1945!

[NickG]

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[NickG]

SS style shoulderboard (never been removed from the coat)