sniper patch

[Willi Z.]

What kind of nonsense?

The kind of nonsense that keeps so much of this hobby floating around the clouds in a state of confusion when there is so much clarity now available.

[Johnny R]

The titled design was a prototype that was most likely produced in small numbers as "probe" but that were never issued. Some of the examples on Gray match the color of BW service uniforms and may be 1957 variations or the modern copies may be faithful copies of the 1957 issue awards on gray with people thinking those were wartime issue etc.

[Willi Z.]

I have a 1960 article by Dr. Klietmann on the developement of the award etc.

Johnny, I would love to have that article for reference. Is there anyway you would be so kind as to scan it for me and email it? I know old collectors who used to correspond with Herr Dr. Klietmann.

[Johnny R]

Johnny, I would love to have that article for reference. Is there anyway you would be so kind as to scan it for me and email it? I know old collectors who used to correspond with Herr Dr. Klietmann.

I will pm you-

[tgn]

I'm sorry I am so late to add photos of my badges to this discussion. The only chance I had to take photos was just toady. Probably a mute point by now, but here are the examples I have:

Lowest Grade Embroidered Version:

[tgn]

2nd Grade Embroidered Version:

[tgn]

Lowest Grade Machine Woven Version:

[tgn]

Some of the examples on Gray match the color of BW service uniforms and may be 1957 variations or the modern copies may be faithful copies of the 1957 issue awards on gray with people thinking those were wartime issue etc.

I tend to agree with you on this...

Tom

[Michael N]

The examples posted by Diane are NOT original.

The first two examples posted by Tom are NOT original.

Some of the examples on Gray match the color of BW service uniforms and may be 1957 variations or the modern copies may be faithful copies of the 1957 issue awards on gray with people thinking those were wartime issue etc.

You are talking about the examples posted earlier on this thread, yes. Not on original wartime issue examples, dont want to get others confused.

[Bob Hritz]

Back in the 1960s, a friend from Minnesota got a tunic with a sniper patch exactly the same as Tom's second posted example. I have always thought that that was an original hand embroidered type. Tom's is the only other example I have seen.

What is the verdict on Tom's third example which is identical to the accepted wartime type, but embroidered on a field quality wool?

Bob Hritz

[Michael N]

What is the verdict on Tom's third example which is identical to the accepted wartime type, but embroidered on a field quality wool?

Its an original example.

[Jos L C]

How many snipers were there actually compared to the badges we see all around ?
I've no clue, but going by the price I bet they must be rare items, no ?
Especially because there's no decent photographic evidence around.

Jos.

[Willi Z.]

Its an original example.

I agree the 3rd one is an original. That style of backing and the other lighter one we have seen are the only styles I like as factory originals.

These patches are proficiency patches, like so many others issued by the Wehrmacht. Why do we think there are endless variations when we don't for the other proficiency patches?

[tgn]

I agree the 3rd one is an original. That style of backing and the other lighter one we have seen are the only styles I like as factory originals.

These patches are proficiency patches, like so many others issued by the Wehrmacht. Why do we think there are endless variations when we don't for the other proficiency patches?

But Willi, aren't there in fact countless variations of normal proficiency badges? There must be as I have collecting variations for years!

That of course does not make the hand embroidered sniper badges wartime originals, though...

Tom

[Nigromontanus]

Tom should let us know the circumstances of aquiring and the origin of the third specimen shown. I agree that it is woven very correctly, however, only based on that I would not say it is an original. I have never seen one on such low quality textile.